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> or even forced to give all of their data, it's entirely voluntary. Sure you can avoid using Google and other spying companies products, but you kind of then

> or even forced to give all of their data, it's entirely voluntary. Sure you can avoid using Google and other spying companies products, but you kind of then getting yourself excluded from the society that see no problem with that. If you don't want to give your data you essentially need to stop using internet or put a lot of effort to learn how to avoid your data to be taken away from you. I agree that it should be straight up illegal to collect data that there is no essential business need for. Company should be allowed to take personal data to process an order, but it should be illegal to run any kind of analytics that involves personal data and even "anonymised" data should not be allowed to be sold or used for advertising or to manipulate customers into sales.

teraku 6y ago
Welcome to the EU. Although there is still lots of stuff going on that is 'technically' illegal
- varispeed 6y ago
  Unfortunately that regulation does not work well in practice. For example, I sent a request to Instagram for them to explain what they did with my personal data under GDPR. They sent me back a canned response and when I complained that the response does not answer my questions, they sent another canned response and from there they just completely ignore my emails. Now I understand the next step is to make a complaint to appropriate government body, but I fear if I do that my accounts will be deleted. That would be okay, but a lot of my family uses websites owned by Facebook and it means I would have difficulty contacting them. I think I shouldn't be penalised for wanting to exercise my rights. edit: The fact that Instagram can ignore GDPR requests essentially means the law is dead.
cblconfederate 6y ago
> but it should be illegal to run any kind of analytics that involves personal data and even This is never going to be fully possible. Companies will just move to analyzing people's posts and communications to extract their preferences (and, predictably, they 'll stop offering encrypted messaging for this reason). Let's just admit that as long as advertising and manipulation are necessary evils, business is going to keep making money from that data

teraku 6y ago

Welcome to the EU. Although there is still lots of stuff going on that is 'technically' illegal

varispeed 6y ago
Unfortunately that regulation does not work well in practice. For example, I sent a request to Instagram for them to explain what they did with my personal data under GDPR. They sent me back a canned response and when I complained that the response does not answer my questions, they sent another canned response and from there they just completely ignore my emails. Now I understand the next step is to make a complaint to appropriate government body, but I fear if I do that my accounts will be deleted. That would be okay, but a lot of my family uses websites owned by Facebook and it means I would have difficulty contacting them. I think I shouldn't be penalised for wanting to exercise my rights. edit: The fact that Instagram can ignore GDPR requests essentially means the law is dead.

cblconfederate 6y ago

> but it should be illegal to run any kind of analytics that involves personal data and even This is never going to be fully possible. Companies will just move to analyzing people's posts and communications to extract their preferences (and, predictably, they 'll stop offering encrypted messaging for this reason). Let's just admit that as long as advertising and manipulation are necessary evils, business is going to keep making money from that data