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I'm guessing you have javascript turned off? Otherwise the songs should just play instantly.

Hexstream 18y ago
Why, oh why does such a site require Javascript?! edit: I'm not against requiring Javascript for those parts of your website that absolutely, positively require it, but everything that can work without JS should gracefully degrade.
- louislouis 18y ago
  I tried it without JS for seo reasons but the background flash player just wouldn't work. I had no other option. Plus jQuery is just too awesome not to use ;) I love it.
  - Hexstream 18y ago
    Isn't jQuery advocating and encouraging "non-intrusive" Javascript and graceful degradation?
- attack 18y ago
  JS support is required for the flash auto-play on IE due to some rediculous patent dispute.
- gruseom 18y ago
  I didn't downmod, but I don't agree that everything that can work without JS should gracefully degrade. That seems like a lot of extra work to support a miniscule segment of fussy purists. What am I not getting?
  - Hexstream 18y ago
    Well, JS is turing-complete and that's both a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because you can do "anything", but it's a curse because unconstrained code is opaque. It's very hard to do stuff like extracting the semantics (what you meant to express when you wrote the code) out of JS and doing things like transformations without an unreasonable amount of work. I think it's better to express as much as you can in a more "constrained" language like HTML or CSS because it's more like data than code, so it offers less opportunities to make a big mess of spaghetti code and having obscure interactions in the code. It's easier to reason about. HTML and CSS, being declarative, are much easier and cleaner to deal with than JS (it's more WYSIWYG). So I guess what I'm saying is, coding in a style that avoids JS as much as possible is beneficial, and that style facilitates graceful degradation. Conversely, keeping an eye on graceful degradation will facilitate a better style.
    - gruseom 18y ago
      Thanks for explaining. Now I'm sure I disagree. :) I'm partly kidding. I might use that design style under some circumstances. I disagree that it's the right way to do things. There are many ways to do things. I think people want a "right" way because they want to feel like they've got stuff figured out. (This is especially common in our world because software is complex and there's a lot of uncertainty around how to do it well.) As it happens, the app I'm currently working on is as far away from this design style as you can get. We do almost everything in JS, even things that could easily be done in HTML and CSS. Our way of carving things up relies heavily on expressing everything in a single language, and the Turing-completeness of said language is an advantage not a disadvantage. It's a solution I'm fond of because it neatly combines high-level abstraction at the source level with some stringent performance requirements in the browser. It will also be fun to watch the purists turn green when they see it. Edit: we do almost everything in generated JS. Might be relevant.
webwright 18y ago
Didn't automatically play for me-- I was able to add songs, but had to right click to show my playlist and left click to get started. FF3/Win.

Why, oh why does such a site require Javascript?! edit: I'm not against requiring Javascript for those parts of your website that absolutely, positively require it, but everything that can work without JS should gracefully degrade.

louislouis 18y ago
I tried it without JS for seo reasons but the background flash player just wouldn't work. I had no other option. Plus jQuery is just too awesome not to use ;) I love it.
- Hexstream 18y ago
  Isn't jQuery advocating and encouraging "non-intrusive" Javascript and graceful degradation?
attack 18y ago
JS support is required for the flash auto-play on IE due to some rediculous patent dispute.
gruseom 18y ago
I didn't downmod, but I don't agree that everything that can work without JS should gracefully degrade. That seems like a lot of extra work to support a miniscule segment of fussy purists. What am I not getting?
- Hexstream 18y ago
  Well, JS is turing-complete and that's both a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because you can do "anything", but it's a curse because unconstrained code is opaque. It's very hard to do stuff like extracting the semantics (what you meant to express when you wrote the code) out of JS and doing things like transformations without an unreasonable amount of work. I think it's better to express as much as you can in a more "constrained" language like HTML or CSS because it's more like data than code, so it offers less opportunities to make a big mess of spaghetti code and having obscure interactions in the code. It's easier to reason about. HTML and CSS, being declarative, are much easier and cleaner to deal with than JS (it's more WYSIWYG). So I guess what I'm saying is, coding in a style that avoids JS as much as possible is beneficial, and that style facilitates graceful degradation. Conversely, keeping an eye on graceful degradation will facilitate a better style.
  - gruseom 18y ago
    Thanks for explaining. Now I'm sure I disagree. :) I'm partly kidding. I might use that design style under some circumstances. I disagree that it's the right way to do things. There are many ways to do things. I think people want a "right" way because they want to feel like they've got stuff figured out. (This is especially common in our world because software is complex and there's a lot of uncertainty around how to do it well.) As it happens, the app I'm currently working on is as far away from this design style as you can get. We do almost everything in JS, even things that could easily be done in HTML and CSS. Our way of carving things up relies heavily on expressing everything in a single language, and the Turing-completeness of said language is an advantage not a disadvantage. It's a solution I'm fond of because it neatly combines high-level abstraction at the source level with some stringent performance requirements in the browser. It will also be fun to watch the purists turn green when they see it. Edit: we do almost everything in generated JS. Might be relevant.

webwright 18y ago

Didn't automatically play for me-- I was able to add songs, but had to right click to show my playlist and left click to get started. FF3/Win.