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People buy ring cameras for "law and order" related to their own properties, if anything this is the natural progression of this type of product. What is your a

People buy ring cameras for "law and order" related to their own properties, if anything this is the natural progression of this type of product. What is your argument to say someone who wants to opt-in to this kind of thing and why they shouldnt?

14 6y ago
Think of the children. Hackers may hack these cameras and start following children home. Edit: I was being sarcastic and bringing up what everyone does when they don’t have a valid reason to oppose something put out the old think of the children bit.
bb88 6y ago
So when I read the article, I know there are a lot of people who trust the police in their community. They are fine with "mass surveillance" (though they would never see it like that) to help keep crime down. Much of that may be racist in nature to keep minorities out of neighborhoods, but much of it is also people trying to keep their amazon deliveries from being stolen. It's not hard to see that far into the future where police departments offer an app that will tell you who is at the front door before you open it -- and something like that will probably triple the sales of home security cameras.
alphabettsy 6y ago
Do they? I think cameras are like police, they are only for after something happens. Their presence can be a deterrent. This does not have to be a natural progression. That’s only true if we collectively decide we’re better off having centralized government surveillance. Following any incident the police could do their jobs and respect the constitution by actually talking to people and requesting they assist rather than implementing mass-surveillance to avoid doing work.
- throwaway69123 6y ago
  Did you read the article? > Lumumba said the city would only be able to access the devices when crimes occur in those areas.
  - alphabettsy 6y ago
    No issue then since the government and police especially have a good track record of following policies and rules that’s aren’t the law. /s Only be able to access it when a crime occurs how? They’ll get a warrant or an officer says a crime occurred and asks for access?
  - sangnoir 6y ago
    You shouldn't be surprised to discover that the definition of "when" and "area" can be very flexible to maximize data collection. Car break in happened 6 months ago - good enough justify a crime having occurred. The break-in was 20 miles away? Well, that's driving distance, so it qualifies as the same "area". Look at your local PD's crime map and you will discover that this is a recipe for perpetual mass surveillance. Good luck keeping this footage from the NSA and FBI. I'm counting down the days to the first person who'll be busted and their Ring will be the first hostile "witness"
AlexandrB 6y ago
But Ring cameras aren't usually pointed at their own properties. They're mostly pointed at public property (the street) and their neighbors across the street. Your right to feel safe stops at my right to have privacy from you.
- cbozeman 6y ago
  You have no expectation of privacy in a public space. Its the reason I can record you all day if I want. People don't understand this (clearly). Most of us just choose not to record others because we don't give a shit about you, or have any sort of vested interest in you.

14 6y ago

Think of the children. Hackers may hack these cameras and start following children home. Edit: I was being sarcastic and bringing up what everyone does when they don’t have a valid reason to oppose something put out the old think of the children bit.

bb88 6y ago

So when I read the article, I know there are a lot of people who trust the police in their community. They are fine with "mass surveillance" (though they would never see it like that) to help keep crime down. Much of that may be racist in nature to keep minorities out of neighborhoods, but much of it is also people trying to keep their amazon deliveries from being stolen. It's not hard to see that far into the future where police departments offer an app that will tell you who is at the front door before you open it -- and something like that will probably triple the sales of home security cameras.

alphabettsy 6y ago

Do they? I think cameras are like police, they are only for after something happens. Their presence can be a deterrent. This does not have to be a natural progression. That’s only true if we collectively decide we’re better off having centralized government surveillance. Following any incident the police could do their jobs and respect the constitution by actually talking to people and requesting they assist rather than implementing mass-surveillance to avoid doing work.

throwaway69123 6y ago
Did you read the article? > Lumumba said the city would only be able to access the devices when crimes occur in those areas.
- alphabettsy 6y ago
  No issue then since the government and police especially have a good track record of following policies and rules that’s aren’t the law. /s Only be able to access it when a crime occurs how? They’ll get a warrant or an officer says a crime occurred and asks for access?
- sangnoir 6y ago
  You shouldn't be surprised to discover that the definition of "when" and "area" can be very flexible to maximize data collection. Car break in happened 6 months ago - good enough justify a crime having occurred. The break-in was 20 miles away? Well, that's driving distance, so it qualifies as the same "area". Look at your local PD's crime map and you will discover that this is a recipe for perpetual mass surveillance. Good luck keeping this footage from the NSA and FBI. I'm counting down the days to the first person who'll be busted and their Ring will be the first hostile "witness"

AlexandrB 6y ago

But Ring cameras aren't usually pointed at their own properties. They're mostly pointed at public property (the street) and their neighbors across the street. Your right to feel safe stops at my right to have privacy from you.

cbozeman 6y ago
You have no expectation of privacy in a public space. Its the reason I can record you all day if I want. People don't understand this (clearly). Most of us just choose not to record others because we don't give a shit about you, or have any sort of vested interest in you.