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> created "family separation" under Obama Source for this claim? Here’s mine: https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families

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• m0zg 6y ago
  Obama ICE did separate families if parents were criminally charged with something. Evidence of this is so easy to find, even partisan hacks can do it. It's just that under Trump illegal border crossings became criminal, rather than civil, offences. You can't take your kids to jail with you even if you aren't Mexican, hence the "separations". This is super easy to avoid: don't cross the border illegally. The much publicized "cages", however, were built under Obama. Nobody gave a shit back then. About 1K people were deported daily. I predict that more people will be deported under Biden as well, because it's not "racist" or "xenophobic" for a democrat to deport 400K people a year. The whole issue of crossing the border being a "misdemeanor" is idiotic IMO. I grew up in a country where it's a felony, and you'd be lucky to not get shot if you cross the border illegally in either direction. If a country is to maintain its sovereignty, that's how it has to be.
  • tayo42 6y ago
    Just because you grew up in a country that treated immigrants like shit and shot at them doesn't mean the us can any shitty thing as long as it isn't that bad. They're humans and America is a country built on immigrants taking a chance here.
    • m0zg 6y ago
      These are not "immigrants". I'm an immigrant. They're illegal migrants. There's a difference. Although I will concede that the US treats legal immigrants like shit as well.
      • tayo42 6y ago
        those humans are the ones picking your food, doing your lawns, building infrastructure. or there escaping some shitty situation where ever they're from. there's no reason to treat them like shit. glad america's got an immigrant that doesn't think others deserve to be here.
        • m0zg 6y ago
          Slave owner, 1865: "Who's gonna pick my cotton?" @tayo42, 2020: "Who's gonna pick my food and mow my lawn?"
          • tayo42 6y ago
            Are you fucking serious with shit like this? I'm saying treating illegal immigrants like criminals isn't helping anyone. They're people doing what they can to better their lives. The US should do more for them, not shoot them at the fucking border. What's wrong with you?
  • lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    It was criminal under Obama too. No laws were changed under the Trump admin. People are just unrealistic and delusional about how to manage an immigration system, and certain politicians like to make disingenuous arguments for personal gain. Most people complaining about family separation don’t even seem to be aware of the fact that it doesn’t apply if you’re a legal asylum seeker. It only applies if you’re caught breaking immigration law with some coyote (many of whom routinely traffic and rape children, or worse).
  • antonvs 6y ago
    > It's just that under Trump illegal border crossings became criminal, rather than civil, offences. The offense didn't change, it's just that the Trump administration started doing more Section 1325 prosecutions[1]. The original law has been on the books since 1929, and IIRIRA in 1996 added a stronger penalty for reentry. For decades prior to 2005, this law was hardly used, but under the George W. Bush administration, "Operation Streamline," a DHS/DOJ program still in effect today, began to use it. [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325