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Really? By New Years Day 1600, other than possible Roanoke colonists scattered throughout the winds, how many European settlements existed within the future bor

Really? By New Years Day 1600, other than possible Roanoke colonists scattered throughout the winds, how many European settlements existed within the future borders of the United States or Canada? They're all sorta contemporaneous, and it was the bad luck of the French to colonize a place that was cold and was always going to be much more underpopulated than Britain's Atlantic colonies. I would also say the legacy of the Spanish in the New World is...sorta hard to miss as well.

gumby 6y ago
Ever been to Manhattan Island? Also French use and control of the maritime regions of what is now Canada began about a century before the Mayflower, resulting in some small permanent colonies by that time. France still has territory off Newfoundland.
TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
Puerto Rico - 1513 New France - 1534 Little Venice - 1528 Santa Fe - 1610 New Netherlands - 1614 New Sweden - 1638 Norse - 1001 (New Foundland, possibly Maine) Brazil - sometime in the early 1500s (not explorers but settlements) São Tomé - 1493 Príncipe - 1500 Guanare - 1591 Nova Scotia (Scottish not French) - 1629 St. Augustine (now Florida) - 1565 Parris (South Carolina) - 1562 Sapelo Island (Georgia) - 1526 Various missions and presidios in California - 1519 Various missionary settlements in Georgia, late 1500s and early 1600s --- I mean, I could go on... These are some of the ones that we know about. Surely there are others that did not survive historical record. > They're all sorta contemporaneous I don't consider a 100+ year difference between 1620 and some of the settlements I listed to be contemporaneous. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Puerto_Rico#Spanish_rule_(1493%E2%80%931898) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Puerto_Rico#Spanish... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein-Venedig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein-Venedig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Netherland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Netherland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_colonization_of_North_America#Vinland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_colonization_of_North_Am... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Brazil#Arrival_and_early_exploitation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Brazil#Arrival_and_ea... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Tom%C3%A9_and_Pr%C3%ADncipe#Arrival_of_Europeans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Tom%C3%A9_and_Pr%C3%A... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_colonization_of_the_Americas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_colonization_of_the_A... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Augustine,_Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Augustine,_Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe,_New_Mexico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe,_New_Mexico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parris_Island,_South_Carolina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parris_Island,_South_Carolina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapelo_Island#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapelo_Island#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_California_before_1900#First_Spanish_colonies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_California_before_1... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_missions_in_Georgia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_missions_in_Georgia
- pbourke 6y ago
  IIRC, there wasn’t a permanent settlement in New France until Quebec City in 1608.
  - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
    As I wrote in my OP, I'm including non-permanent settlements, too. "By the 1580s, French trading companies had been set up, and ships were contracted to bring back furs. Much of what transpired between the indigenous population and their European visitors around that time is not known, for lack of historical records." "Other attempts at establishing permanent settlements were also failures. In 1598, a French trading post was established on Sable Island, off the coast of Acadia, but was unsuccessful. In 1600, a trading post was established at Tadoussac, but only five settlers survived the winter.[11] In 1604, a settlement was founded at Île-Saint-Croix on Baie François (Bay of Fundy), which was moved to Port-Royal in 1605. It was abandoned in 1607, re-established in 1610, and destroyed in 1613, after which settlers moved to other nearby locations, creating settlements that were collectively known as Acadia, and the settlers as Acadians." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_France#Early_exploration_(1523%E2%80%931650s) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_France#Early_exploration_(...
- AlotOfReading 6y ago
  No Europeans had even seen California in 1519. The Wikipedia page you linked talks about New Spain (i.e. Mexico), but the first spaniard to see CA was Cabrillo in 1542. The first European settlements of any note would settled by the Portolá expedition in 1769.
  - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
    You might be correct. However, there were settlements in Mexico in the 1500s, not just explorers. They were miners, traders, etc. My point is not undermined -- there were many non-English settlements before the 1620 Pilgrims. Of note: "In the late 1560s, however, the able Viceroy Martin Enriquez stepped in to throw the weight of the royal government behind the effort to better (or more actively) defend the Spanish towns, mines, and ranches. In 1569, Enriquez declared all-out war ("war by fire and blood"-- guerra a fuego y sangre) against the Chichimecs and began establishing presidios in the Far North, with the result that by 1590, the presidio was a major frontier institution, a symbol of the King's authority in the Far North." https://californiamissionsfoundation.org/articles/the-presidios-of-alta-california/ https://californiamissionsfoundation.org/articles/the-presid... Unfortunately, it does not explain "Far North", but it is definitely distinct from Alta California (San Diego) if you read further. So I would guess this means the Baja, but I don't really know.

gumby 6y ago

Ever been to Manhattan Island? Also French use and control of the maritime regions of what is now Canada began about a century before the Mayflower, resulting in some small permanent colonies by that time. France still has territory off Newfoundland.

TedDoesntTalk 6y ago

Puerto Rico - 1513 New France - 1534 Little Venice - 1528 Santa Fe - 1610 New Netherlands - 1614 New Sweden - 1638 Norse - 1001 (New Foundland, possibly Maine) Brazil - sometime in the early 1500s (not explorers but settlements) São Tomé - 1493 Príncipe - 1500 Guanare - 1591 Nova Scotia (Scottish not French) - 1629 St. Augustine (now Florida) - 1565 Parris (South Carolina) - 1562 Sapelo Island (Georgia) - 1526 Various missions and presidios in California - 1519 Various missionary settlements in Georgia, late 1500s and early 1600s --- I mean, I could go on... These are some of the ones that we know about. Surely there are others that did not survive historical record. > They're all sorta contemporaneous I don't consider a 100+ year difference between 1620 and some of the settlements I listed to be contemporaneous. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Puerto_Rico#Spanish_rule_(1493%E2%80%931898) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Puerto_Rico#Spanish... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein-Venedig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein-Venedig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Netherland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Netherland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_colonization_of_North_America#Vinland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_colonization_of_North_Am... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Brazil#Arrival_and_early_exploitation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Brazil#Arrival_and_ea... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Tom%C3%A9_and_Pr%C3%ADncipe#Arrival_of_Europeans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Tom%C3%A9_and_Pr%C3%A... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_colonization_of_the_Americas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_colonization_of_the_A... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Augustine,_Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Augustine,_Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe,_New_Mexico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe,_New_Mexico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parris_Island,_South_Carolina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parris_Island,_South_Carolina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapelo_Island#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapelo_Island#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_California_before_1900#First_Spanish_colonies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_California_before_1... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_missions_in_Georgia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_missions_in_Georgia

pbourke 6y ago
IIRC, there wasn’t a permanent settlement in New France until Quebec City in 1608.
- TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
  As I wrote in my OP, I'm including non-permanent settlements, too. "By the 1580s, French trading companies had been set up, and ships were contracted to bring back furs. Much of what transpired between the indigenous population and their European visitors around that time is not known, for lack of historical records." "Other attempts at establishing permanent settlements were also failures. In 1598, a French trading post was established on Sable Island, off the coast of Acadia, but was unsuccessful. In 1600, a trading post was established at Tadoussac, but only five settlers survived the winter.[11] In 1604, a settlement was founded at Île-Saint-Croix on Baie François (Bay of Fundy), which was moved to Port-Royal in 1605. It was abandoned in 1607, re-established in 1610, and destroyed in 1613, after which settlers moved to other nearby locations, creating settlements that were collectively known as Acadia, and the settlers as Acadians." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_France#Early_exploration_(1523%E2%80%931650s) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_France#Early_exploration_(...
AlotOfReading 6y ago
No Europeans had even seen California in 1519. The Wikipedia page you linked talks about New Spain (i.e. Mexico), but the first spaniard to see CA was Cabrillo in 1542. The first European settlements of any note would settled by the Portolá expedition in 1769.
- TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
  You might be correct. However, there were settlements in Mexico in the 1500s, not just explorers. They were miners, traders, etc. My point is not undermined -- there were many non-English settlements before the 1620 Pilgrims. Of note: "In the late 1560s, however, the able Viceroy Martin Enriquez stepped in to throw the weight of the royal government behind the effort to better (or more actively) defend the Spanish towns, mines, and ranches. In 1569, Enriquez declared all-out war ("war by fire and blood"-- guerra a fuego y sangre) against the Chichimecs and began establishing presidios in the Far North, with the result that by 1590, the presidio was a major frontier institution, a symbol of the King's authority in the Far North." https://californiamissionsfoundation.org/articles/the-presidios-of-alta-california/ https://californiamissionsfoundation.org/articles/the-presid... Unfortunately, it does not explain "Far North", but it is definitely distinct from Alta California (San Diego) if you read further. So I would guess this means the Baja, but I don't really know.