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As non-american... I don't get offended when somebody mentions halloween or that green thing day. If people ask how was the celebration, I've no issues telling

by mantas 6y ago

As non-american... I don't get offended when somebody mentions halloween or that green thing day. If people ask how was the celebration, I've no issues telling that I don't participate in said holidays and maybe introduce to my culture and what we do instead. I'd expect same response from me telling "merry christmas". As for political donations - one of the best things in my country is that non-personal political donations are banned, period. And personal donations are capped. There're safeguard to prevent bums from suddenly getting lots of money and donating that too.

stazz1 6y ago
That sounds sensible and Scalia in the court said he didn't think such rules would make much difference. Still not happy about his call there.
sandworm101 6y ago
Banning commercial donations is a good idea, but difficult in reality. How do you handle commercial speech? What if a corporation wants to express its opinion using its own money? That is common in the US. Can a company come out for/against a new law, a proposed project, a pipeline?
- mantas 6y ago
  Specifically donations to political parties and individual politicians are banned. If a corporation wants to run a media campaign on social issues - that's fine. But if an ad features a politician, especially leading up to election, that'd be treated as illegal political ad. The legal way to do is through legal lobyist. Companies can pay them and certified lobyists can talk to institutions/individuals/parties. But meetings are semi-public and the public is +/- aware of what is lobying what. Lobyists can't give gifts to politicians, otherwise they risk their license. There's a workaround though. Politicians love to establish NGOs, then corporations donate to NGOs and politicians go on speaking tour in the name of NGO to cash out. But at least that limits use of corporate money for over-the-top election campaigns.
  - octoberfranklin 6y ago
    > If a corporation wants to run a media campaign on social issues Well the problem is that "running media campaigns" is the vast majority of what political donations are spent on. All the other stuff (campaign salaries, etc) fits easily into any candidate's totally-aboveboard-donations revenue account. Not saying I approve of the current system; just that this is not a problem with an easy fix.
    - mantas 6y ago
      But that campaign cannot feature a party or politician. It can just coincidentally support same cause as party X. Of course it's not a 100% fix. But it's a step in a correct direction. edit: thinking more, it may be complicated in US where X always means party A and Y always means party B. Here we've a bunch of overlapping parties and there're multiple parties (or factions) behind pretty much any issue from any angle.

by mantas 6y ago

stazz1 6y ago

That sounds sensible and Scalia in the court said he didn't think such rules would make much difference. Still not happy about his call there.

sandworm101 6y ago

Banning commercial donations is a good idea, but difficult in reality. How do you handle commercial speech? What if a corporation wants to express its opinion using its own money? That is common in the US. Can a company come out for/against a new law, a proposed project, a pipeline?

mantas 6y ago
Specifically donations to political parties and individual politicians are banned. If a corporation wants to run a media campaign on social issues - that's fine. But if an ad features a politician, especially leading up to election, that'd be treated as illegal political ad. The legal way to do is through legal lobyist. Companies can pay them and certified lobyists can talk to institutions/individuals/parties. But meetings are semi-public and the public is +/- aware of what is lobying what. Lobyists can't give gifts to politicians, otherwise they risk their license. There's a workaround though. Politicians love to establish NGOs, then corporations donate to NGOs and politicians go on speaking tour in the name of NGO to cash out. But at least that limits use of corporate money for over-the-top election campaigns.
- octoberfranklin 6y ago
  > If a corporation wants to run a media campaign on social issues Well the problem is that "running media campaigns" is the vast majority of what political donations are spent on. All the other stuff (campaign salaries, etc) fits easily into any candidate's totally-aboveboard-donations revenue account. Not saying I approve of the current system; just that this is not a problem with an easy fix.
  - mantas 6y ago
    But that campaign cannot feature a party or politician. It can just coincidentally support same cause as party X. Of course it's not a 100% fix. But it's a step in a correct direction. edit: thinking more, it may be complicated in US where X always means party A and Y always means party B. Here we've a bunch of overlapping parties and there're multiple parties (or factions) behind pretty much any issue from any angle.