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No, I don't think that's true. Android is just Linux with an Android userland. Richard Stallman was quite correct to call it GNU/Linux, as much as I dislike th

No, I don't think that's true. Android is just Linux with an Android userland. Richard Stallman was quite correct to call it GNU/Linux, as much as I dislike the guy.

zepto 6y ago
iOS is just BSD/Mach with an iOS Userland. Here is the kernel: https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu
- damnyou 6y ago
  Yes. it's accurate to describe iOS as iOS/Darwin, and macOS as macOS/Darwin. But "BSD" implies a BSD userland to most people, which macOS has but iOS doesn't.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Linux implies a GNU userland to most people which Android does not have.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      Alpine Linux is unequivocally a Linux despite not having much to do with GNU in userland.
      - zepto 6y ago
        It has a work-alike of the gnu userland.
    - damnyou 6y ago
      Well, that's precisely what Stallman was trying to address, wasn't he? Trying to separate out the Linux kernel from the GNU userland.
      - zepto 6y ago
        Yes, but he had failed before he even started trying to get people to say GNU/Linux instead of Linux. That’s my point - when people say Linux they generally mean GNU/Linux not Android. Equally, people are generally not talking about only the kernel, when they say Linux. Usually when someone is talking about only the kernel they say ‘the Linux kernel’. GNU/Linux usually only gets used by the FSF or during discussions of this kind. “Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.” [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
Intermernet 6y ago
It's a long term pattern that keeps playing out to say "Richard Stallman was quite correct <insert topic here>, as much as I dislike the guy." Maybe we should pay more attention to what he says!
pjmlp 6y ago
Except that you are only allowed to use these Linux calls, https://github.com/aosp-mirror/platform_bionic/blob/master/docs/status.md https://github.com/aosp-mirror/platform_bionic/blob/master/d... Anything not white listed on the LinuxSE and seccomp configurations, just has as outcome killing the "naughty" app.

No, I don't think that's true. Android is just Linux with an Android userland. Richard Stallman was quite correct to call it GNU/Linux, as much as I dislike the guy.

zepto 6y ago

iOS is just BSD/Mach with an iOS Userland. Here is the kernel: https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu

damnyou 6y ago
Yes. it's accurate to describe iOS as iOS/Darwin, and macOS as macOS/Darwin. But "BSD" implies a BSD userland to most people, which macOS has but iOS doesn't.
- zepto 6y ago
  Linux implies a GNU userland to most people which Android does not have.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    Alpine Linux is unequivocally a Linux despite not having much to do with GNU in userland.
    - zepto 6y ago
      It has a work-alike of the gnu userland.
  - damnyou 6y ago
    Well, that's precisely what Stallman was trying to address, wasn't he? Trying to separate out the Linux kernel from the GNU userland.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Yes, but he had failed before he even started trying to get people to say GNU/Linux instead of Linux. That’s my point - when people say Linux they generally mean GNU/Linux not Android. Equally, people are generally not talking about only the kernel, when they say Linux. Usually when someone is talking about only the kernel they say ‘the Linux kernel’. GNU/Linux usually only gets used by the FSF or during discussions of this kind. “Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.” [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux

Intermernet 6y ago

It's a long term pattern that keeps playing out to say "Richard Stallman was quite correct <insert topic here>, as much as I dislike the guy." Maybe we should pay more attention to what he says!

pjmlp 6y ago

Except that you are only allowed to use these Linux calls, https://github.com/aosp-mirror/platform_bionic/blob/master/docs/status.md https://github.com/aosp-mirror/platform_bionic/blob/master/d... Anything not white listed on the LinuxSE and seccomp configurations, just has as outcome killing the "naughty" app.