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> American capitalism has led the world to the brink of destruction by climate change This sort of alarmist language makes it really difficult to take anything

> American capitalism has led the world to the brink of destruction by climate change This sort of alarmist language makes it really difficult to take anything you said seriously. I'm fairly confident most people think climate change is concerning, but not "on the brink of destruction" "American capitalism" is also responsible for the greatest reduction of poverty globally in all of human history. > Nothing else pales in comparison to the destruction that's coming as a direct result of USA turning a blind eye to climate change. Interesting, because the United States has actually been lowering carbon dioxide emissions, and total output absolutely pales in comparison to China which has seen nearly exponential growth [0]. This may be completely wrong, but it seems like a majority of climate change talk always revolves around how the US can be doing more, and rarely about what other countries can do. Interesting how America is always to blame for the world's problems. I'm not saying America has been perfect, but it certainly does more good than bad. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_...

markdown 6y ago
> I'm fairly confident most people think climate change is concerning, but not "on the brink of destruction" Lucky for them, those people jus haven't yet experienced the destruction of a category five tropical cyclone. > Interesting, because the United States has actually been lowering carbon dioxide emissions You can use this excuse when talking to children or US Republicans, but it doesn't work with people who have more than half a brain. I live on a quarter of an acre. I could use my property to make X, or I can just buy X from my neighbour and make the claim that my property isn't used to make X, and is therefore uncontaminated and clean. You can't get China to make your polluting garbage, and then blame China for being the worlds polluter. It's Americans who demand massive trucks to drive on hours-long commutes every day instead of building public transport; who fight wars for fossil fuels to burn. > Interesting how America is always to blame for the world's problems. Not interesting at all. Quite depressing actually.
vagrantJin 6y ago
> "American capitalism" is also responsible for the greatest reduction of poverty globally in all of human history. European capitalism >Interesting how America is always to blame for the world's problems. I'm not saying America has been perfect, but it certainly does more good than bad. Tell that to the Middle East, parts of South East Asia and South Americas. > talk always revolves around how the US can be doing more, and rarely about what other countries can do. Now we get to the nub. The key word here is responsibility. And dont look at production level CO2 emission. The US eclipses every nation on earth when looking at per person energy consumption and resulting CO2 footprint[0] If India and China's citizens lived like Americans, it would be a global catastrophe. Those two nations are still developing their grids and can't pour money into alternative energy industries and R&D because of cost and scale[1] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electri... [1] https://www.iea.org/reports/energy-technology-rdd-budgets-2020 https://www.iea.org/reports/energy-technology-rdd-budgets-20... Post script: I'm a neutral observer. But take everything I say with a truckload of salt.
CraigJPerry 6y ago
>> "American capitalism" is also responsible for the greatest reduction of poverty globally in all of human history. Is that true? I’ve heard this recently from republican leaning sources but it doesn’t appear to be true. E.g. of the 30 countries with the greatest reduction in poverty rates in the last 20 years its hard to pin point the American influence? Stretching back further, global poverty reduction begins in earnest in the 19th century yet American capitalism only begins in around the start of the 20th century. >> it seems like a majority of climate change talk always revolves around how the US can be doing more An American citizen emits 16 tonnes of co2 per year. Who else even comes close?
- kuzimoto 6y ago
  >> "American capitalism" is also responsible for the greatest reduction of poverty globally in all of human history. > Is that true? I’ve heard this recently from republican leaning sources but it doesn’t appear to be true. I can't find sources to determine the exact contribution of the US to this, but free market capitalism in general is definitely responsible [0]. >> it seems like a majority of climate change talk always revolves around how the US can be doing more > An American citizen emits 16 tonnes of co2 per year. Who else even comes close? Canada is higher, Australia is close behind. I mentioned this before, but US co2 emissions have been in decline, while many other countries are increasing. It will not take India long before it eclipses the US. America represents 15% of total co2 emissions [1]. If we wanted to reduce globally everyone needs to participate. [0] https://catalyst.independent.org/2019/06/14/capitalism-remains-the-best-way-to-combat-extreme-poverty/ https://catalyst.independent.org/2019/06/14/capitalism-remai... [1] https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emiss...

markdown 6y ago

> I'm fairly confident most people think climate change is concerning, but not "on the brink of destruction" Lucky for them, those people jus haven't yet experienced the destruction of a category five tropical cyclone. > Interesting, because the United States has actually been lowering carbon dioxide emissions You can use this excuse when talking to children or US Republicans, but it doesn't work with people who have more than half a brain. I live on a quarter of an acre. I could use my property to make X, or I can just buy X from my neighbour and make the claim that my property isn't used to make X, and is therefore uncontaminated and clean. You can't get China to make your polluting garbage, and then blame China for being the worlds polluter. It's Americans who demand massive trucks to drive on hours-long commutes every day instead of building public transport; who fight wars for fossil fuels to burn. > Interesting how America is always to blame for the world's problems. Not interesting at all. Quite depressing actually.

vagrantJin 6y ago

> "American capitalism" is also responsible for the greatest reduction of poverty globally in all of human history. European capitalism >Interesting how America is always to blame for the world's problems. I'm not saying America has been perfect, but it certainly does more good than bad. Tell that to the Middle East, parts of South East Asia and South Americas. > talk always revolves around how the US can be doing more, and rarely about what other countries can do. Now we get to the nub. The key word here is responsibility. And dont look at production level CO2 emission. The US eclipses every nation on earth when looking at per person energy consumption and resulting CO2 footprint[0] If India and China's citizens lived like Americans, it would be a global catastrophe. Those two nations are still developing their grids and can't pour money into alternative energy industries and R&D because of cost and scale[1] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electri... [1] https://www.iea.org/reports/energy-technology-rdd-budgets-2020 https://www.iea.org/reports/energy-technology-rdd-budgets-20... Post script: I'm a neutral observer. But take everything I say with a truckload of salt.

CraigJPerry 6y ago

>> "American capitalism" is also responsible for the greatest reduction of poverty globally in all of human history. Is that true? I’ve heard this recently from republican leaning sources but it doesn’t appear to be true. E.g. of the 30 countries with the greatest reduction in poverty rates in the last 20 years its hard to pin point the American influence? Stretching back further, global poverty reduction begins in earnest in the 19th century yet American capitalism only begins in around the start of the 20th century. >> it seems like a majority of climate change talk always revolves around how the US can be doing more An American citizen emits 16 tonnes of co2 per year. Who else even comes close?

kuzimoto 6y ago
>> "American capitalism" is also responsible for the greatest reduction of poverty globally in all of human history. > Is that true? I’ve heard this recently from republican leaning sources but it doesn’t appear to be true. I can't find sources to determine the exact contribution of the US to this, but free market capitalism in general is definitely responsible [0]. >> it seems like a majority of climate change talk always revolves around how the US can be doing more > An American citizen emits 16 tonnes of co2 per year. Who else even comes close? Canada is higher, Australia is close behind. I mentioned this before, but US co2 emissions have been in decline, while many other countries are increasing. It will not take India long before it eclipses the US. America represents 15% of total co2 emissions [1]. If we wanted to reduce globally everyone needs to participate. [0] https://catalyst.independent.org/2019/06/14/capitalism-remains-the-best-way-to-combat-extreme-poverty/ https://catalyst.independent.org/2019/06/14/capitalism-remai... [1] https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emiss...