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This, and it also subsidizes people’s decisions to live far away from where they work and commute by car every day. There was a time when I think that would hav

This, and it also subsidizes people’s decisions to live far away from where they work and commute by car every day. There was a time when I think that would have been seen as a public good, and thus people were ok with that. Now is not that time. Comparing this with free public education, by not charging user fees to attend school, we are subsidizing (a) having children, and (b) educating them at the expense of the childless and I guess people who don’t want to educate their kids. We subsidize those because we believe they are truly public goods that are better for everyone in the long run. Encouraging people to drive more and ship more things by truck is not necessarily better for everyone.

peterwoerner 6y ago
Most public schools I have been a part of charge "optional" fees. There seems to be constant fund-raising for both extracurricular activities and general school funds as well as requests from students for classroom supplies. The bulk of the funding comes from the school taxes.
- URSpider94 6y ago
  Definitely, the first thing we heard when our kid started in pubic school was “public school is not free,” meaning that the parent committee expects lots of donations to offer enrichment. That said, you should listen to the podcast “Nice White Parents.” It points out that this model of underfunding the schools and making up for it with donations is essentially letting wealthy families buy their way out of the problem while leaving disadvantaged students behind.
vl 6y ago
Public education is not “free”, we pay for it with out taxes. And right now we are paying, and our children are not getting an education...
FpUser 6y ago
>"This, and it also subsidizes people’s decisions to live far away from where they work and commute by car every day." Hence greatly increasing chances of finding better or any employment and at least partially reducing pressure employers can come up with. ... You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store ...
- URSpider94 6y ago
  That’s an interesting take. I mostly think of it in terms of urban sprawl - if it weren’t for the massive multi-lane freeways leading out to the countryside, people would live in higher-density housing close to city centers and transit hubs, and businesses would locate there as well. You’d still have a lot of choice about where to work, you’d just get there by bike, or train, or bus, or on foot. That’s how it is in Japan, Korea and most places in Europe I’ve been.
  - FpUser 6y ago
    >"That’s how it is in Japan, Korea and most places in Europe I’ve been." To each their own.

peterwoerner 6y ago

Most public schools I have been a part of charge "optional" fees. There seems to be constant fund-raising for both extracurricular activities and general school funds as well as requests from students for classroom supplies. The bulk of the funding comes from the school taxes.

URSpider94 6y ago
Definitely, the first thing we heard when our kid started in pubic school was “public school is not free,” meaning that the parent committee expects lots of donations to offer enrichment. That said, you should listen to the podcast “Nice White Parents.” It points out that this model of underfunding the schools and making up for it with donations is essentially letting wealthy families buy their way out of the problem while leaving disadvantaged students behind.

vl 6y ago

Public education is not “free”, we pay for it with out taxes. And right now we are paying, and our children are not getting an education...

FpUser 6y ago

>"This, and it also subsidizes people’s decisions to live far away from where they work and commute by car every day." Hence greatly increasing chances of finding better or any employment and at least partially reducing pressure employers can come up with. ... You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store ...

URSpider94 6y ago
That’s an interesting take. I mostly think of it in terms of urban sprawl - if it weren’t for the massive multi-lane freeways leading out to the countryside, people would live in higher-density housing close to city centers and transit hubs, and businesses would locate there as well. You’d still have a lot of choice about where to work, you’d just get there by bike, or train, or bus, or on foot. That’s how it is in Japan, Korea and most places in Europe I’ve been.
- FpUser 6y ago
  >"That’s how it is in Japan, Korea and most places in Europe I’ve been." To each their own.