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The media also tried to say that dead people did not cast ballots in the election. I was able to find a dozen dead people in multiple states that requested and

The media also tried to say that dead people did not cast ballots in the election. I was able to find a dozen dead people in multiple states that requested and cast a ballot in the election. Real journalists should be curious about this and actually want to find out why. It's very odd that so many are trying to deny it or cover it up.

yalogin 6y ago
That’s super interesting. What did you do with that information? Did you report it to the authorities and have them investigated and arrested? One person finding 12 cases of fraud is a huge deal and I think you would be hailed a hero and be on the news. Can you tell me what happened with your finding?
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  > One person finding 12 cases of fraud is a huge deal and I think you would be hailed a hero and be on the news. Sadly this is not the case. The media has done nothing to report on this ballot harvester who was caught on tape: https://youtu.be/mgPJyEfG0C0 https://youtu.be/mgPJyEfG0C0
  - yalogin 6y ago
    That just looks like a dramatic reconstrcution
    - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
      Do you have evidence for your interpretation? This is purportedly hidden camera footage and there is a lot of it.
      - yalogin 6y ago
        I don’t need one. The trump campaign is desperate for evidence. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel and claiming ballots with chocolate sauce on it to be thrown out. If that’s the best they can provide, they would have jumped at this one and it would lead to a thousand lawsuits.
        chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        > I don’t need one. Of course you're entitled to your opinion. It just appears to be motivated reasoning when someone asks for evidence and then, when provided evidence, interprets it in a way that diminishes its significance with no evidence for their interpretation. > The trump campaign is desperate for evidence. do you have evidence for this? Based on the number of sworn affidavits that have been filed, I'm not convinced they are short of evidence. The problem is that many people aren't concerned about election integrity when they think they have managed to compromise the election for their guy. Which is entirely expected, Republicans behaved the same way in 2000.
        yalogin 6y ago
        Sorry your rationale and line of reasoning is utterly unconvincing. You say an amateur video is proof for widespread fraud. You say that inspite of this being the US and the election being the most watched in the world from media all over the world. You want me to believe that not a single media entity picked upon it and pursued it? There is a multi billion dollar right wing media like fox and others, that live for these and you want me to believe they didn’t look into this? On top of that you also say that the trump administration has extremely credible lawsuits and proof of fraud? I was discussing purely out of intellectual curiosity if am done here. Have a good one.
        chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        > You say an amateur video is proof for widespread fraud. Project Veritas are not amateurs. I did not say it was proof of widespread fraud, but certainly more than 12 cases. > You say that inspite of this being the US and the election being the most watched in the world from media all over the world. How many countries sent international observers? > You want me to believe that not a single media entity picked upon it and pursued it? I am not asking you to believe that. [0] They did a cursory report and stopped covering it. Media report on PV regularly, frequently lying or misrepresenting the truth, and often having to issue retractions. [1] You are free to come up with your own interpretation for this behavior. > There is a multi billion dollar right wing media like fox and others, that live for these and you want me to believe they didn’t look into this? Actually I want to illustrate that your perception ("One person finding 12 cases of fraud is a huge deal and I think you would be hailed a hero and be on the news.") is not accurate. > On top of that you also say that the trump administration has extremely credible lawsuits and proof of fraud? I didn't pass judgment on their credibility as the sworn affidavits of many witnesses stand on their own, since the witnesses would be subject to perjury charges if what they have said is found to be untrue. However the videos of Raquel Rodriguez are indeed proof of fraud. I'm not surprised that people who find them inconvenient would latch onto any interpretation ("dramatic reconstrcution") in order to maintain their worldview and/or rhetorical position. > I was discussing purely out of intellectual curiosity To be frank that doesn't seem to be the case. > if am done here. Have a good one. Yes, you as well. [0] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-police-omar-ballot-harvesting https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-police-omar-bal... [1] https://www.projectveritas.com/wall-of-shame-retracto/ https://www.projectveritas.com/wall-of-shame-retracto/
mcphage 6y ago
> I was able to find a dozen dead people in multiple states that requested and cast a ballot in the election. How do you know that the person requesting and casting the ballot was dead?
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  I think the common interpretation is that a living person fraudulently used the identity of a dead person to cast an illegal ballot.
  - mcphage 6y ago
    Yes, but how did they know that it wasn’t just a living person casting a ballot normally?
    - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
      Presumably they matched the name, location, and DOB with a person who had a public obituary. I'm not the op so I don't know.
      - mcphage 6y ago
        That isn’t an accurate system—so if that’s all they were doing, they really shouldn’t be making claims they can’t support.
        chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        I'm sure its not foolproof but it clearly raises suspicion. How many people are born on the same date with the same name?
pwinnski 6y ago
Real journalists have investigated claims like that, and actually tracked down those so-called "dead people" to find that many were very much alive. It turns out some people have the same name as other (dead) people, or that birthdates have been recorded incorrectly, or that older widows sometimes have very traditional ideas about married names, and so on. Journalists and government agencies have done a better job investigating than you have, clearly.
- salawat 6y ago
  If we really take election integrity seriously, it should not be the press doing the investigation, or breaking the news, it should be State law enforcement, on the authority of the Secretary of State for that State. Again, no one wants to take claims of lack of election integrity seriously right now, because everyone is worried about picking up the stain of being some Trump supporter or something. I don't care who wins, I care they win because the process in all cases happened as planned, and that every accusation of a threat to the integeity of the system gets investigated. No republic can afford the luxury of not doing so. If voting is in question, the very foundation of governmental legitimacy is in question. I want everyone to be able to accept that the results were legitimate and that assertions of lack of integrity were given best effort attempts at investigation and resolution which means bringing everyone to the table, like it or not, and laying it all out for God and Everyone. Further, to all those up thread who see the Electoral College as a mere formality, that Elector, unless legislation in your State of questionable Federal Constitutionality, has not one reason to abdicate their right to go Faithless. The Faithless Elector is a feature, not a bug, and was never intended by the Founders to be influenced by some external covenant with what at the end of the day is a private, national scale, highly politically motivated organiztion, that in no way whatsoever is connected or a given with regards to the United States. People need to realize how broken the Two-Party system is, and what ills that two party division creates. As long as those two parties believe their survival or continued legitimacy is free from challenge, there is no end to the issues we'll run into. Finally we are not a democracy. We're a Union of States arranged as a group of Constitutional Republics with a Federal Constitutional Republic with a highly restricted and largely explicitly defined jurisdiction to handle issues of an interstate nature.

yalogin 6y ago

That’s super interesting. What did you do with that information? Did you report it to the authorities and have them investigated and arrested? One person finding 12 cases of fraud is a huge deal and I think you would be hailed a hero and be on the news. Can you tell me what happened with your finding?

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
> One person finding 12 cases of fraud is a huge deal and I think you would be hailed a hero and be on the news. Sadly this is not the case. The media has done nothing to report on this ballot harvester who was caught on tape: https://youtu.be/mgPJyEfG0C0 https://youtu.be/mgPJyEfG0C0
- yalogin 6y ago
  That just looks like a dramatic reconstrcution
  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    Do you have evidence for your interpretation? This is purportedly hidden camera footage and there is a lot of it.
    - yalogin 6y ago
      I don’t need one. The trump campaign is desperate for evidence. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel and claiming ballots with chocolate sauce on it to be thrown out. If that’s the best they can provide, they would have jumped at this one and it would lead to a thousand lawsuits.
      - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        > I don’t need one. Of course you're entitled to your opinion. It just appears to be motivated reasoning when someone asks for evidence and then, when provided evidence, interprets it in a way that diminishes its significance with no evidence for their interpretation. > The trump campaign is desperate for evidence. do you have evidence for this? Based on the number of sworn affidavits that have been filed, I'm not convinced they are short of evidence. The problem is that many people aren't concerned about election integrity when they think they have managed to compromise the election for their guy. Which is entirely expected, Republicans behaved the same way in 2000.
        yalogin 6y ago
        Sorry your rationale and line of reasoning is utterly unconvincing. You say an amateur video is proof for widespread fraud. You say that inspite of this being the US and the election being the most watched in the world from media all over the world. You want me to believe that not a single media entity picked upon it and pursued it? There is a multi billion dollar right wing media like fox and others, that live for these and you want me to believe they didn’t look into this? On top of that you also say that the trump administration has extremely credible lawsuits and proof of fraud? I was discussing purely out of intellectual curiosity if am done here. Have a good one.
        chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        > You say an amateur video is proof for widespread fraud. Project Veritas are not amateurs. I did not say it was proof of widespread fraud, but certainly more than 12 cases. > You say that inspite of this being the US and the election being the most watched in the world from media all over the world. How many countries sent international observers? > You want me to believe that not a single media entity picked upon it and pursued it? I am not asking you to believe that. [0] They did a cursory report and stopped covering it. Media report on PV regularly, frequently lying or misrepresenting the truth, and often having to issue retractions. [1] You are free to come up with your own interpretation for this behavior. > There is a multi billion dollar right wing media like fox and others, that live for these and you want me to believe they didn’t look into this? Actually I want to illustrate that your perception ("One person finding 12 cases of fraud is a huge deal and I think you would be hailed a hero and be on the news.") is not accurate. > On top of that you also say that the trump administration has extremely credible lawsuits and proof of fraud? I didn't pass judgment on their credibility as the sworn affidavits of many witnesses stand on their own, since the witnesses would be subject to perjury charges if what they have said is found to be untrue. However the videos of Raquel Rodriguez are indeed proof of fraud. I'm not surprised that people who find them inconvenient would latch onto any interpretation ("dramatic reconstrcution") in order to maintain their worldview and/or rhetorical position. > I was discussing purely out of intellectual curiosity To be frank that doesn't seem to be the case. > if am done here. Have a good one. Yes, you as well. [0] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-police-omar-ballot-harvesting https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-police-omar-bal... [1] https://www.projectveritas.com/wall-of-shame-retracto/ https://www.projectveritas.com/wall-of-shame-retracto/

mcphage 6y ago

> I was able to find a dozen dead people in multiple states that requested and cast a ballot in the election. How do you know that the person requesting and casting the ballot was dead?

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
I think the common interpretation is that a living person fraudulently used the identity of a dead person to cast an illegal ballot.
- mcphage 6y ago
  Yes, but how did they know that it wasn’t just a living person casting a ballot normally?
  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    Presumably they matched the name, location, and DOB with a person who had a public obituary. I'm not the op so I don't know.
    - mcphage 6y ago
      That isn’t an accurate system—so if that’s all they were doing, they really shouldn’t be making claims they can’t support.
      - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
        I'm sure its not foolproof but it clearly raises suspicion. How many people are born on the same date with the same name?

pwinnski 6y ago

Real journalists have investigated claims like that, and actually tracked down those so-called "dead people" to find that many were very much alive. It turns out some people have the same name as other (dead) people, or that birthdates have been recorded incorrectly, or that older widows sometimes have very traditional ideas about married names, and so on. Journalists and government agencies have done a better job investigating than you have, clearly.

salawat 6y ago
If we really take election integrity seriously, it should not be the press doing the investigation, or breaking the news, it should be State law enforcement, on the authority of the Secretary of State for that State. Again, no one wants to take claims of lack of election integrity seriously right now, because everyone is worried about picking up the stain of being some Trump supporter or something. I don't care who wins, I care they win because the process in all cases happened as planned, and that every accusation of a threat to the integeity of the system gets investigated. No republic can afford the luxury of not doing so. If voting is in question, the very foundation of governmental legitimacy is in question. I want everyone to be able to accept that the results were legitimate and that assertions of lack of integrity were given best effort attempts at investigation and resolution which means bringing everyone to the table, like it or not, and laying it all out for God and Everyone. Further, to all those up thread who see the Electoral College as a mere formality, that Elector, unless legislation in your State of questionable Federal Constitutionality, has not one reason to abdicate their right to go Faithless. The Faithless Elector is a feature, not a bug, and was never intended by the Founders to be influenced by some external covenant with what at the end of the day is a private, national scale, highly politically motivated organiztion, that in no way whatsoever is connected or a given with regards to the United States. People need to realize how broken the Two-Party system is, and what ills that two party division creates. As long as those two parties believe their survival or continued legitimacy is free from challenge, there is no end to the issues we'll run into. Finally we are not a democracy. We're a Union of States arranged as a group of Constitutional Republics with a Federal Constitutional Republic with a highly restricted and largely explicitly defined jurisdiction to handle issues of an interstate nature.