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Can anything of that be substantiated though, or is it just FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt)?

by loopz 6y ago

kyrieeschaton 6y ago
There are sworn affidavits to that effect, as well as the documented 100% Biden vote batches (with no down-ballot votes) after the "pause" to determine how many were needed. In any other context the US State Department would be bemoaning "irregularities" and threatening sanctions.
- zug_zug 6y ago
  No point saying that unless you're going to link a primary source (i.e. no youtube videos citing other youtube videos citing a tweet, but rather the affidavit itself, or videos of the 100% Biden vote batches, or the video of the person alleging they saw 100% Biden batches).
  - ecommerceguy 6y ago
    I'm not sure why the parent got flagged for removal but for years voting irregularities have been reported on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckzzjlU39kc&feature=emb_logo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckzzjlU39kc&feature=emb_logo "In Georgia, primary election chaos highlights a voting system deeply flawed" - PBS
    - gamblor956 6y ago
      The parent got flagged because it alleged falsities about the vote in the 2020 election. And the quote you're referring to was about Georgia's old voting system. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/in-georgia-primary-election-chaos-highlights-a-voting-system-deeply-flawed https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/in-georgia-primary-electio... The new system replaces the purely electronic older system with a hybrid: tablets that physically mark a printed ballot (similar to California's new system). From the linked article: "The state spent more than $100 million to supply every county with so-called ImageCast machines made by a Canadian company, Dominion Voting Systems. They are ballot marking devices, meaning voters make selections on a touch screen, and ballots are printed with choices embedded in a Q.R. code and listed in plain English. The paper ballot is then scanned and counted." Voter's selections are literally printed in English text on the ballot, so they can be independently verified in the event of an audit.
    - ecommerceguy 6y ago
      That's not at all what the parent said gamblor.
- hedmundson 6y ago
  Can you please link to the documentation of the “100% Biden vote ballots”?
  - m4thfr34k 6y ago
    I don't know about the original poster but I can only provide documentation that contradicts that claim. Vote spike/batches/surges claims https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wi-pa-mi-vote-spikes/fact-check-vote-spikes-in-wisconsin-michigan-and-pennsylvania-do-not-prove-election-fraud-idUSKBN27Q307 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wi-pa-mi-vote-s... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/tweets/no-biden-did-not-receive-thousands-mysteriously-su/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/tweets/no-... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-biden-michigan-votes/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-biden-michigan... https://factcheck.afp.com/false-claims-2020-us-election-fraud https://factcheck.afp.com/false-claims-2020-us-election-frau... https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55016029 https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55016029
    - bjoli 6y ago
      I did a bit of fact checking of some claims myself. The all fall into three categories. 1. Misreading a graph 2. Not knowing enough statistics to be able to make sense of something that can't easily be represented in a simple graph. 3 lying. I checked about 10 claims and most of them were in category 1. Kinda depressing.
- loopz 6y ago
  So there must be evidence of this in the process, but it seems to just boil down to some people lying all the time. Just because someone repeats a lie, doesn't make it true. I'm all for fair legal trials, and the cases are all dropped as nobody is able to mount any evidence, lawyers admit it was a lie before the judge, etc. There should be no surprise that mailed votes have more votes for Biden, as Trump was supposedly all against mail-in voting, even though he used the same method himself. This means he's confident in the methodology, and just lies as usual. Trump actually despises all the people following him. He only loves himself and would not think twice of hurting anybody to further enrich himself.
ecommerceguy 6y ago
>Can anything of that be substantiated though Sure, through the courts, just as was in 2000 and in many other elections.
gamblor956 6y ago
There are no actual points of contention, just lies. All of the claims about election fraud (including 100% of the affidavits submitted by Trump's campaign) were either invalidated by the courts or withdrawn by the affiants after they refused to testify to those statements under oath, meaning that lying (aka perjury) would result in criminal sanction. On the other hand, the election workers, both Democrats and Republicans alike, were willing to testify under oath about the process by which ballots were brought in and counted. And there were confirmed and testified-to chains of custody for all ballots between all of the ballot collection sites (aka the polls) and the ballot counting centers. And in a number of the states at issue, the ballot counting process itself was video recorded and even live-streamed.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  (Responding to dead commentator) I would, except that the GOP redacted all names in the document so that nobody could actually verify whether the affiant was a poll worker, as claime, or even whether they exist. But since they included the "Center" portion of the polling place and described the parking lot, it limits the locations where the supposed individual could have been a poll worker to literally none of the polling centers in Clark County. (There are no polling centers in Clark County that have both "Center" in the name and also have a narrow parking lot.) Point 5. Is clearly false and demonstrates that affiant does not know the id requirements for Nevada voting. https://www.clarkcountynv.gov/government/departments/elections/services/provisional_ballot_voting.php https://www.clarkcountynv.gov/government/departments/electio.... The DMV interim document includes appointment information but the point of the document is not the appointment date, it is that the DMV has verified on a preliminary basis that the person is who they say they are. Point 7: this is okay fine since the activities were more than 100 feet from the polling place; the statement conveniently leaves out the part where the GOP also had tables in the parking lots of polling places. Point 9: this is not how mail-in ballots work. Also, Nevada does not use "pink and white" envelopes for mail-in ballots. The white envelopes are the cover envelope sent to the voter that include the mail-in ballot and the pink reply envelope; the pink envelopes only contain the ballot. The white envelope cannot be reused once it is opened, and it would not fit in the small pink envelope. Thus, in alleging that ballots were placed in "white and pink envelopes" it is clear that the affiant is lying. Point 12: this is clearly a lie, as noted above. Ballot reply envelopes were pink, not pink and white. Point 13: this is allowed. Family members, for example, are allowed to drop off ballots for spouses, parents, etc.

Can anything of that be substantiated though, or is it just FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt)?

by loopz 6y ago

Can anything of that be substantiated though, or is it just FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt)?

There are sworn affidavits to that effect, as well as the documented 100% Biden vote batches (with no down-ballot votes) after the "pause" to determine how many were needed. In any other context the US State Department would be bemoaning "irregularities" and threatening sanctions.

zug_zug 6y ago
No point saying that unless you're going to link a primary source (i.e. no youtube videos citing other youtube videos citing a tweet, but rather the affidavit itself, or videos of the 100% Biden vote batches, or the video of the person alleging they saw 100% Biden batches).
- ecommerceguy 6y ago
  I'm not sure why the parent got flagged for removal but for years voting irregularities have been reported on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckzzjlU39kc&feature=emb_logo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckzzjlU39kc&feature=emb_logo "In Georgia, primary election chaos highlights a voting system deeply flawed" - PBS
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    The parent got flagged because it alleged falsities about the vote in the 2020 election. And the quote you're referring to was about Georgia's old voting system. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/in-georgia-primary-election-chaos-highlights-a-voting-system-deeply-flawed https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/in-georgia-primary-electio... The new system replaces the purely electronic older system with a hybrid: tablets that physically mark a printed ballot (similar to California's new system). From the linked article: "The state spent more than $100 million to supply every county with so-called ImageCast machines made by a Canadian company, Dominion Voting Systems. They are ballot marking devices, meaning voters make selections on a touch screen, and ballots are printed with choices embedded in a Q.R. code and listed in plain English. The paper ballot is then scanned and counted." Voter's selections are literally printed in English text on the ballot, so they can be independently verified in the event of an audit.
  - ecommerceguy 6y ago
    That's not at all what the parent said gamblor.
hedmundson 6y ago
Can you please link to the documentation of the “100% Biden vote ballots”?
- m4thfr34k 6y ago
  I don't know about the original poster but I can only provide documentation that contradicts that claim. Vote spike/batches/surges claims https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wi-pa-mi-vote-spikes/fact-check-vote-spikes-in-wisconsin-michigan-and-pennsylvania-do-not-prove-election-fraud-idUSKBN27Q307 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wi-pa-mi-vote-s... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/tweets/no-biden-did-not-receive-thousands-mysteriously-su/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/tweets/no-... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-biden-michigan-votes/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-biden-michigan... https://factcheck.afp.com/false-claims-2020-us-election-fraud https://factcheck.afp.com/false-claims-2020-us-election-frau... https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55016029 https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55016029
  - bjoli 6y ago
    I did a bit of fact checking of some claims myself. The all fall into three categories. 1. Misreading a graph 2. Not knowing enough statistics to be able to make sense of something that can't easily be represented in a simple graph. 3 lying. I checked about 10 claims and most of them were in category 1. Kinda depressing.
loopz 6y ago
So there must be evidence of this in the process, but it seems to just boil down to some people lying all the time. Just because someone repeats a lie, doesn't make it true. I'm all for fair legal trials, and the cases are all dropped as nobody is able to mount any evidence, lawyers admit it was a lie before the judge, etc. There should be no surprise that mailed votes have more votes for Biden, as Trump was supposedly all against mail-in voting, even though he used the same method himself. This means he's confident in the methodology, and just lies as usual. Trump actually despises all the people following him. He only loves himself and would not think twice of hurting anybody to further enrich himself.

ecommerceguy 6y ago

>Can anything of that be substantiated though Sure, through the courts, just as was in 2000 and in many other elections.

gamblor956 6y ago

There are no actual points of contention, just lies. All of the claims about election fraud (including 100% of the affidavits submitted by Trump's campaign) were either invalidated by the courts or withdrawn by the affiants after they refused to testify to those statements under oath, meaning that lying (aka perjury) would result in criminal sanction. On the other hand, the election workers, both Democrats and Republicans alike, were willing to testify under oath about the process by which ballots were brought in and counted. And there were confirmed and testified-to chains of custody for all ballots between all of the ballot collection sites (aka the polls) and the ballot counting centers. And in a number of the states at issue, the ballot counting process itself was video recorded and even live-streamed.

gamblor956 6y ago
(Responding to dead commentator) I would, except that the GOP redacted all names in the document so that nobody could actually verify whether the affiant was a poll worker, as claime, or even whether they exist. But since they included the "Center" portion of the polling place and described the parking lot, it limits the locations where the supposed individual could have been a poll worker to literally none of the polling centers in Clark County. (There are no polling centers in Clark County that have both "Center" in the name and also have a narrow parking lot.) Point 5. Is clearly false and demonstrates that affiant does not know the id requirements for Nevada voting. https://www.clarkcountynv.gov/government/departments/elections/services/provisional_ballot_voting.php https://www.clarkcountynv.gov/government/departments/electio.... The DMV interim document includes appointment information but the point of the document is not the appointment date, it is that the DMV has verified on a preliminary basis that the person is who they say they are. Point 7: this is okay fine since the activities were more than 100 feet from the polling place; the statement conveniently leaves out the part where the GOP also had tables in the parking lots of polling places. Point 9: this is not how mail-in ballots work. Also, Nevada does not use "pink and white" envelopes for mail-in ballots. The white envelopes are the cover envelope sent to the voter that include the mail-in ballot and the pink reply envelope; the pink envelopes only contain the ballot. The white envelope cannot be reused once it is opened, and it would not fit in the small pink envelope. Thus, in alleging that ballots were placed in "white and pink envelopes" it is clear that the affiant is lying. Point 12: this is clearly a lie, as noted above. Ballot reply envelopes were pink, not pink and white. Point 13: this is allowed. Family members, for example, are allowed to drop off ballots for spouses, parents, etc.