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My health issues came along with significant cognitive effects, ones that significantly affected my career. I can't speak towards schizophrenia specifically, b

My health issues came along with significant cognitive effects, ones that significantly affected my career. I can't speak towards schizophrenia specifically, but you work through mental health like any other obstacle: if it turns out to be an impassable mountain, then go around it. This is what I hear in GGP's message, and it strongly resonates with my own experience.

nonbirithm 6y ago
One problem is some mental illnesses, like schizophrenia, can cause the victim to believe they are not ill under any circumstance, and because of that they will refuse treatment. What can be done to work around self-deception?
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boomboomsubban 6y ago
First, GGP? Can you imagine your situation being a little worse, so that no matter how hard you tried you couldn't find a path around it? Some people will end up in untenable situations, if you want a clearcut example consider a coma patient.
- smallnamespace 6y ago
  Great-grand-parent, to whom you were responding. A couple of thoughts: of course some people will be in a hole so deep they cannot dig themselves out. But I suspect that is rarer than you expect (look at how we went from mental illness in general, to schizophrenia, now to coma patients). Unless you’re intimately familiar with someone’s situation, how can you judge? I’ve found it more helpful to focus on how one can succeed, whether for myself or loved ones.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    >But I suspect that is rarer than you expect (look at how we went from mental illness in general, to schizophrenia, now to coma patients). I think it's relatively common for people with mental illness to end up in a situation they themselves can't recover from, and my examples were hyperbolic as you seemed to deny the very existence of such people. They generally recover with help from those close to them, medical experts, and government support. >Unless you’re intimately familiar with someone’s situation, how can you judge? I don't need intimacy with anyone's situation, all I said was that some portion of the 30,000 incidents of mental illness could not control their disorders and would need help. >I’ve found it more helpful to focus on how one can succeed, whether for myself or loved ones I'm guessing my post was misunderstood, as here you seem to be trying to help others rather than forcing them to accomplish it by willpower alone.

nonbirithm 6y ago

One problem is some mental illnesses, like schizophrenia, can cause the victim to believe they are not ill under any circumstance, and because of that they will refuse treatment. What can be done to work around self-deception?

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boomboomsubban 6y ago

First, GGP? Can you imagine your situation being a little worse, so that no matter how hard you tried you couldn't find a path around it? Some people will end up in untenable situations, if you want a clearcut example consider a coma patient.

smallnamespace 6y ago
Great-grand-parent, to whom you were responding. A couple of thoughts: of course some people will be in a hole so deep they cannot dig themselves out. But I suspect that is rarer than you expect (look at how we went from mental illness in general, to schizophrenia, now to coma patients). Unless you’re intimately familiar with someone’s situation, how can you judge? I’ve found it more helpful to focus on how one can succeed, whether for myself or loved ones.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >But I suspect that is rarer than you expect (look at how we went from mental illness in general, to schizophrenia, now to coma patients). I think it's relatively common for people with mental illness to end up in a situation they themselves can't recover from, and my examples were hyperbolic as you seemed to deny the very existence of such people. They generally recover with help from those close to them, medical experts, and government support. >Unless you’re intimately familiar with someone’s situation, how can you judge? I don't need intimacy with anyone's situation, all I said was that some portion of the 30,000 incidents of mental illness could not control their disorders and would need help. >I’ve found it more helpful to focus on how one can succeed, whether for myself or loved ones I'm guessing my post was misunderstood, as here you seem to be trying to help others rather than forcing them to accomplish it by willpower alone.