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> The 1050Ti is indeed much more powerful than the GPU in the M1 The 1050ti is 2.1 teraflops, vs the 2.6 for the M1! Also, M1 GPU has "extensions" that aren't

> The 1050Ti is indeed much more powerful than the GPU in the M1 The 1050ti is 2.1 teraflops, vs the 2.6 for the M1! Also, M1 GPU has "extensions" that aren't being benchmarked... > The PS5 is, in raw performance, 4 times faster than the M1 chip. I already said that the ps5 GPU is a generation ahead of M1, so it is no wonder it is more performant. Anyway, like I said, we will have to wait for some comparable benchmarks. Not sure how that will ever happen though.

sudosysgen 6y ago
The PS5 isn't just a generation ahead, 4 times more compute power is 2-3 generations. As for the 1050Ti, while it has a bit less raw compute power, it uses many tricks like variable rate shading, streaming memory compression, and vastly faster memory, that the M1 doesn't have. The difference between those features, exposed via extensions but not used on macOS, is that they actually significantly speed up the rendering of video games. If there were in the M1 chip, I don't know why Apple wouldn't expose them. NVidia does, on every platform except macOS because Apple doesn't want them to. As for benchmarks, the best you're going to get is a Vulkan benchmark running on the Nvidia card via the native driver and on M1 via MoltenVK.
- supermatt 6y ago
  Nope - ps5 is same as last generation GPU in terms of both performance and features (e.g. Nvidia Turing). The 1050ti is the generation before that (Pascal). M1 has "variable rate shading", and "streaming memory compression" (since, at least, A12) - in addition to many, many more features both before and since. I don't understand why you would think otherwise. Go read the docs. We can't just talk about "faster memory", as the architecture is so completely different. But lets just start by saying that it is DDR4 in the M1 vs DDR3 (GDDR5) in the 1050ti. i.e. its MUCH lower latency, and has a higher bandwidth per module. It is also utilises a unified memory pool. i.e. the CPU can GPU access the same memory - so there is no "transfer" involved. This isn't your "shared memory integrated GPU" of old. As I said, there is no fair benchmark to compare theses two. Based on openGL, the m1 wins. You think the 1050ti features would make it more performant - I'm saying the m1 has those same features (and more), that also wouldn't be utilised up by a simple openGL benchmark. By all means enjoy your ps5. It is a great console (I want one myself), and it isn't being threatened by the m1. But don't deceive yourself into thinking it is something magical, or cutting edge - or that a trillion-dollar computer hardware designer and manufacturer doesn't have the know-how to create something as performant.

sudosysgen 6y ago

The PS5 isn't just a generation ahead, 4 times more compute power is 2-3 generations. As for the 1050Ti, while it has a bit less raw compute power, it uses many tricks like variable rate shading, streaming memory compression, and vastly faster memory, that the M1 doesn't have. The difference between those features, exposed via extensions but not used on macOS, is that they actually significantly speed up the rendering of video games. If there were in the M1 chip, I don't know why Apple wouldn't expose them. NVidia does, on every platform except macOS because Apple doesn't want them to. As for benchmarks, the best you're going to get is a Vulkan benchmark running on the Nvidia card via the native driver and on M1 via MoltenVK.

supermatt 6y ago
Nope - ps5 is same as last generation GPU in terms of both performance and features (e.g. Nvidia Turing). The 1050ti is the generation before that (Pascal). M1 has "variable rate shading", and "streaming memory compression" (since, at least, A12) - in addition to many, many more features both before and since. I don't understand why you would think otherwise. Go read the docs. We can't just talk about "faster memory", as the architecture is so completely different. But lets just start by saying that it is DDR4 in the M1 vs DDR3 (GDDR5) in the 1050ti. i.e. its MUCH lower latency, and has a higher bandwidth per module. It is also utilises a unified memory pool. i.e. the CPU can GPU access the same memory - so there is no "transfer" involved. This isn't your "shared memory integrated GPU" of old. As I said, there is no fair benchmark to compare theses two. Based on openGL, the m1 wins. You think the 1050ti features would make it more performant - I'm saying the m1 has those same features (and more), that also wouldn't be utilised up by a simple openGL benchmark. By all means enjoy your ps5. It is a great console (I want one myself), and it isn't being threatened by the m1. But don't deceive yourself into thinking it is something magical, or cutting edge - or that a trillion-dollar computer hardware designer and manufacturer doesn't have the know-how to create something as performant.