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Let's define mental illness better. We don't lump all bumps, bruises, and broken bones into physical illness. Yea, it's out of touch to tell someone with broke

Let's define mental illness better. We don't lump all bumps, bruises, and broken bones into physical illness. Yea, it's out of touch to tell someone with broken legs to walk it off. But, if someone got the wind knock out of them. That's perfectly fine advice. In fact, I hope and believe the majority of mental illness cases are not serious. Like, most physical cases. It's just harder to see, so people have a harder time properly categorizing it. Which is damaging to a person psyche. If someone has a sprain ankle, but thinks they have cancer. Imagine the unnecessary trauma and hopelessness the person is experiencing.

wildrhythms 6y ago
>In fact, I hope and believe the majority of mental illness cases are not serious. Who are you to decide the seriousness of a mental illness?
_Microft 6y ago
The study talks about mental illnesses that require "secondary care", i.e. the general practitioner is out of options and needs to refer the patient to a specialist. So not just "bumps and bruises".
boomboomsubban 6y ago
Roughly 25% of these disorders are "broadly defined schizophrenia." Should we change that diagnosis so we can blame those suffering for their own failures? Personally, I'd rather hope and strive to reduce the amount of people suffering from mental disorders rather then redefine them so they aren't "serious." Everyone should be entitled to the "resources and advantages" that prevent illness, not just the rich.
- eplanit 6y ago
  So, hospital for bumps and bruises, because they're just as serious as broken bones?
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    No, provide all the children with the safety equipment that limits both bruises and broken bones rather than only give it to the wealthy children.
- davidn20 6y ago
  I don't understand why people think I'm against helping people. I'm not. I'm not trying to shame anyone. I'm simply saying, no matter your situation, do the best you can because that's what you have control over. Also, it's easier to change yourself, than to change the world. I mean if you're fighting to change the world, more power to you. I hope you succeed and make the world a fairer place.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    >I'm simply saying, no matter your situation, do the best you can because that's what you have control over. Also, it's easier to change yourself, than to change the world Again, you're telling this to people with mental disorders like schizophrenia. They don't necessarily have control over their disorder, and are unable to change themselves alone. This is why it seems like you're shaming people. You both belittled their issues and are telling them to just get over them, like they haven't been trying all along.
    - smallnamespace 6y ago
      > They don't necessarily have control over their disorder, and are unable to change themselves alone. As someone who has dealt with serious, chronic health issues for a decade, I truly hate this attitude. I don't necessarily have full control over my health issues, but I'll be damned if you tell me I am unable to take actions to change myself and my situation. Yes, I much prefer messages that emphasize my personal agency, which your well-intentioned message actively denies. This is a tight-rope to walk: sick people have limitations and one should acknowledge them, but repeatedly asserting their utter helplessness is also a form of shaming and encourages them to stop trying.
      - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
        No one is encouraging sick people to stop trying. They're trying to explain to relatively healthy and privileged people that blaming sick people for trying and failing is extremely unlikely to help them.
      - 6y ago
tokai 6y ago
>I hope and believe Why write all this when you clearly don't know much about psychiatry and mental illness? This is some high lvl Dunning–Kruger posting.
ThrowawayP 6y ago
> "In fact, I hope and believe the majority of mental illness cases are not serious." Then your understanding of mental illness is very poor. For example, from Wikipedia, "In 2015, ... [suicide] was the second leading cause of death for young people aged 15 to 34 and the third leading cause of death for those between the ages of 10 and 14." And, in comparison to treatments for common cancers, the successful treatment rate for many common mental illnesses is often quite low.

wildrhythms 6y ago

>In fact, I hope and believe the majority of mental illness cases are not serious. Who are you to decide the seriousness of a mental illness?

_Microft 6y ago

The study talks about mental illnesses that require "secondary care", i.e. the general practitioner is out of options and needs to refer the patient to a specialist. So not just "bumps and bruises".

boomboomsubban 6y ago

Roughly 25% of these disorders are "broadly defined schizophrenia." Should we change that diagnosis so we can blame those suffering for their own failures? Personally, I'd rather hope and strive to reduce the amount of people suffering from mental disorders rather then redefine them so they aren't "serious." Everyone should be entitled to the "resources and advantages" that prevent illness, not just the rich.

eplanit 6y ago
So, hospital for bumps and bruises, because they're just as serious as broken bones?
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  No, provide all the children with the safety equipment that limits both bruises and broken bones rather than only give it to the wealthy children.
davidn20 6y ago
I don't understand why people think I'm against helping people. I'm not. I'm not trying to shame anyone. I'm simply saying, no matter your situation, do the best you can because that's what you have control over. Also, it's easier to change yourself, than to change the world. I mean if you're fighting to change the world, more power to you. I hope you succeed and make the world a fairer place.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >I'm simply saying, no matter your situation, do the best you can because that's what you have control over. Also, it's easier to change yourself, than to change the world Again, you're telling this to people with mental disorders like schizophrenia. They don't necessarily have control over their disorder, and are unable to change themselves alone. This is why it seems like you're shaming people. You both belittled their issues and are telling them to just get over them, like they haven't been trying all along.
  - smallnamespace 6y ago
    > They don't necessarily have control over their disorder, and are unable to change themselves alone. As someone who has dealt with serious, chronic health issues for a decade, I truly hate this attitude. I don't necessarily have full control over my health issues, but I'll be damned if you tell me I am unable to take actions to change myself and my situation. Yes, I much prefer messages that emphasize my personal agency, which your well-intentioned message actively denies. This is a tight-rope to walk: sick people have limitations and one should acknowledge them, but repeatedly asserting their utter helplessness is also a form of shaming and encourages them to stop trying.
    - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
      No one is encouraging sick people to stop trying. They're trying to explain to relatively healthy and privileged people that blaming sick people for trying and failing is extremely unlikely to help them.
    - 6y ago

tokai 6y ago

>I hope and believe Why write all this when you clearly don't know much about psychiatry and mental illness? This is some high lvl Dunning–Kruger posting.

ThrowawayP 6y ago

> "In fact, I hope and believe the majority of mental illness cases are not serious." Then your understanding of mental illness is very poor. For example, from Wikipedia, "In 2015, ... [suicide] was the second leading cause of death for young people aged 15 to 34 and the third leading cause of death for those between the ages of 10 and 14." And, in comparison to treatments for common cancers, the successful treatment rate for many common mental illnesses is often quite low.