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Most people when they say they miss the office they mean missing dragging everyone with them to the office. You were in the office weren't you? Stay there then

Most people when they say they miss the office they mean missing dragging everyone with them to the office. You were in the office weren't you? Stay there then and have all the space you want :D I for one will never go back to the office.

Foivos 6y ago
Am I the only person who wants to be in the office AND also prefers to be alone there?
- ghaff 6y ago
  I doubt it. There are certainly people who would be perfectly happy with a private office in a Regus or WeWork co-working location so they're not stuck working on a kitchen table or their bed--especially if there are other people in a small apartment all day. (Or they just want home-work separation.) But there's also a sizable contingent who wants to go back to pre-COVID office life.
rbg246 6y ago
I do agree with your sentiment I think unfortunately the people who want to work from the office require everyone else to be there too - to make it the office. I don't begrudge their attitude but hopefully there is just a split in companies between remote companies and on prem companies.
- pracer 6y ago
  That's my impression too. People talking about the benefits of the office are actually complaining of not having everyone around (either to have social aspect or to what they call "casual collaboration" which reduces to being able to interrupt at any time.
- ghaff 6y ago
  Yes. I strongly suspect that most people who want to go "back to the office" are not really saying that they just want their office workstation back so they don't need to work in their bedroom or kitchen table (though some are). Rather, they want to be back with their colleagues and if their colleagues mostly aren't there, they're not really going to be satisfied.
thendrill 6y ago
Engineer here too. Absolutely agreeing with you. The people that want to go back to the office are also the same people that were wasting everyone's time in the office. Middle managers, office365 consultants, project managers etc. Etc. Generally the people that had the bullshit jobs in the office, and had little contributions except the "social contribution". I don't not want to go back to the office mainly because of those same people...
- ghaff 6y ago
  >The people that want to go back to the office And my counter-anecdote is that I'm not seeing that at all. The people I see going back to the office are those who just didn't have good WFH situations (lack of space, family distractions, etc.)
- Tainnor 6y ago
  I think it's offensive to call project management a "bullshit job". Maybe you've never had a good PM, but I have, and it's really invaluable. (I've also had bad PMs, but that's no different from bad dev colleagues...)
- newusr1121 6y ago
  I think also underperformers fit in there. Before they could hide their laziness via "social contributions".

Foivos 6y ago

Am I the only person who wants to be in the office AND also prefers to be alone there?

ghaff 6y ago
I doubt it. There are certainly people who would be perfectly happy with a private office in a Regus or WeWork co-working location so they're not stuck working on a kitchen table or their bed--especially if there are other people in a small apartment all day. (Or they just want home-work separation.) But there's also a sizable contingent who wants to go back to pre-COVID office life.

rbg246 6y ago

I do agree with your sentiment I think unfortunately the people who want to work from the office require everyone else to be there too - to make it the office. I don't begrudge their attitude but hopefully there is just a split in companies between remote companies and on prem companies.

pracer 6y ago
That's my impression too. People talking about the benefits of the office are actually complaining of not having everyone around (either to have social aspect or to what they call "casual collaboration" which reduces to being able to interrupt at any time.
ghaff 6y ago
Yes. I strongly suspect that most people who want to go "back to the office" are not really saying that they just want their office workstation back so they don't need to work in their bedroom or kitchen table (though some are). Rather, they want to be back with their colleagues and if their colleagues mostly aren't there, they're not really going to be satisfied.

thendrill 6y ago

Engineer here too. Absolutely agreeing with you. The people that want to go back to the office are also the same people that were wasting everyone's time in the office. Middle managers, office365 consultants, project managers etc. Etc. Generally the people that had the bullshit jobs in the office, and had little contributions except the "social contribution". I don't not want to go back to the office mainly because of those same people...

ghaff 6y ago
>The people that want to go back to the office And my counter-anecdote is that I'm not seeing that at all. The people I see going back to the office are those who just didn't have good WFH situations (lack of space, family distractions, etc.)
Tainnor 6y ago
I think it's offensive to call project management a "bullshit job". Maybe you've never had a good PM, but I have, and it's really invaluable. (I've also had bad PMs, but that's no different from bad dev colleagues...)
newusr1121 6y ago
I think also underperformers fit in there. Before they could hide their laziness via "social contributions".