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> Why? Seriously? LGBT people are being bullied and beaten not only in Russia but also in Poland, which from here is about an hour away. In Iran and other coun

> Why? Seriously? LGBT people are being bullied and beaten not only in Russia but also in Poland, which from here is about an hour away. In Iran and other countries they are hanged. In Chechnya, they're being deported and murdered. But even in the West, suicide rates for LGBT people are much higher, AIDS continues to be an issue (even though significant progress has been made), there are still crazy people who think that teaching LGBT issues in school - which would be enormously helpful for teenagers in accepting themselves - is some sort of propaganda, and to this day, some families still don't accept if their kid is gay (or trans). Oh and also, just a short while ago, in a city not that far from where I live, there was a murder attempt on a homosexual couple and one of the guys actually died. These are real issues with real impact for the people that are affected. It's easy to think that homophobia is gone in the West, because of the public opinion, but secretly and deep down some people (even if they are fewer) are either latently or sometimes deeply homophobic.

ajsnigrutin 6y ago
Funny of you mentioning Iran... https://monitoring.bbc.co.uk/product/c2011nxv https://monitoring.bbc.co.uk/product/c2011nxv ... 24 years in prison for removing a headscarf. Again, as in the other thread... who decides what is moral and what is not? In iran, it is moral and expected for women to cover parts of their bodies, that men don't have to cover. And on facebook it is moral and expected for women to cover parts of their bodies, that men don't have to cover. But you care about LGBT issues, and don't care about special covering rules for women, so you're arguing me, that one group of people should be protected because of unequal treatment, but other group of people shouldn't be protected for their unequal treatment.
- Tainnor 6y ago
  What on earth gives you the impression that I would be defending Iran of all places? You're strawmanning and shifting goal-posts. Yes, it's wrong that women are forced to wear head scarves, but that has nothing to do with nipples not being allowed on Facebook.
  - ajsnigrutin 6y ago
    Ok, let me simplify this for you. You're letting facebook decide that groups of people should be equal regarding issue #1, and disregard facebook treating them differently regarding issue #2. To quote you from another post: > Well, it depends a bit on what is meant by "banning LGBT content", but suppose that a gay couple wouldn't be allowed to post their wedding pictures. Since, presumably, all straight couples can do so, Facebook would effectively imply that gay couples are somehow "wrong" and should not be shown to people. I would find that deeply immoral because gay people are not worth less than straight people. I'll just change a few things: Well, it depends a bit on what is meant by "banning womens nipples", but suppose that a woman wouldn't be allowed to post their nipple pictures. Since, presumably, all men can do so, Facebook would effectively imply that womens nipples are somehow "wrong" and should not be shown to people. I would find that deeply immoral because womens nipples are not worth less than mens nipples. You're basically saying iran is right to jail women not wearing headscarfs, because their culture and morals say that it's somehow wrong for women to go outside uncovered, while man can do that.... oh wait... replace "iran" with "facebook", "jail" with "delete photos", and "headscarfs" with "nipples". So basically, by your logic, discrimination is ok, as long as it's nipples, and not anything lgbt related. I mean, showing womens nipples is immoral in america, showing womens faces is immoral in iran, and women kissing women is immoral probably in iran too... as a not-american, it's interesting to me, that you're against respecting what's im/moral in iran, even if it's clear discrimination, but don't care about discrimination if it involves american morals.
    - Tainnor 6y ago
      I clearly can't seem to be able to convince you, so I'll stop here. However I do hope that at some point you will do some thinking or research about the myriad issues LGBT people (or, for that matter, women in Iran) have to go through, and then maybe see why it comes across as slightly offensive for someone to equate these struggles with nipples not being shown on Facebook. Have a good day.

ajsnigrutin 6y ago

Funny of you mentioning Iran... https://monitoring.bbc.co.uk/product/c2011nxv https://monitoring.bbc.co.uk/product/c2011nxv ... 24 years in prison for removing a headscarf. Again, as in the other thread... who decides what is moral and what is not? In iran, it is moral and expected for women to cover parts of their bodies, that men don't have to cover. And on facebook it is moral and expected for women to cover parts of their bodies, that men don't have to cover. But you care about LGBT issues, and don't care about special covering rules for women, so you're arguing me, that one group of people should be protected because of unequal treatment, but other group of people shouldn't be protected for their unequal treatment.

Tainnor 6y ago
What on earth gives you the impression that I would be defending Iran of all places? You're strawmanning and shifting goal-posts. Yes, it's wrong that women are forced to wear head scarves, but that has nothing to do with nipples not being allowed on Facebook.
- ajsnigrutin 6y ago
  Ok, let me simplify this for you. You're letting facebook decide that groups of people should be equal regarding issue #1, and disregard facebook treating them differently regarding issue #2. To quote you from another post: > Well, it depends a bit on what is meant by "banning LGBT content", but suppose that a gay couple wouldn't be allowed to post their wedding pictures. Since, presumably, all straight couples can do so, Facebook would effectively imply that gay couples are somehow "wrong" and should not be shown to people. I would find that deeply immoral because gay people are not worth less than straight people. I'll just change a few things: Well, it depends a bit on what is meant by "banning womens nipples", but suppose that a woman wouldn't be allowed to post their nipple pictures. Since, presumably, all men can do so, Facebook would effectively imply that womens nipples are somehow "wrong" and should not be shown to people. I would find that deeply immoral because womens nipples are not worth less than mens nipples. You're basically saying iran is right to jail women not wearing headscarfs, because their culture and morals say that it's somehow wrong for women to go outside uncovered, while man can do that.... oh wait... replace "iran" with "facebook", "jail" with "delete photos", and "headscarfs" with "nipples". So basically, by your logic, discrimination is ok, as long as it's nipples, and not anything lgbt related. I mean, showing womens nipples is immoral in america, showing womens faces is immoral in iran, and women kissing women is immoral probably in iran too... as a not-american, it's interesting to me, that you're against respecting what's im/moral in iran, even if it's clear discrimination, but don't care about discrimination if it involves american morals.
  - Tainnor 6y ago
    I clearly can't seem to be able to convince you, so I'll stop here. However I do hope that at some point you will do some thinking or research about the myriad issues LGBT people (or, for that matter, women in Iran) have to go through, and then maybe see why it comes across as slightly offensive for someone to equate these struggles with nipples not being shown on Facebook. Have a good day.