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IMO, the Web could stand to be a little bit harder to use.

by _nosewings_ 6y ago

krapp 6y ago
Why?
- antepodius 6y ago
  To filter out idiots and the lazy. 'Normies'.
  - oxford_comma 6y ago
    Here is where I consider myself a segregationist. Give them their web: Facebook, YouTube, Google, et al. -- leave me out of normie net.
    - kwhitefoot 6y ago
      You needn't join in. You are free to segregate yourself.
      - ZWoz 6y ago
        Are they? You still are in same infrastructure and legal framework. Thats like saying you are free not visiting neighbouring apartments. Their "influence" (smoke, noise) is still leaking to your space. Same with web. Like facebook negatively affecting separated web forums.
        krapp 6y ago
        You can find another infrastructure and legal framework like Project Gemini, and I'm sure other separatist protocols will pop up in the future.
  - astrobe_ 6y ago
    Snobbism aside, I would gladly give up on some "usability" for a passive web (basically raw HTML or even Gopher or Gemini) and a separate active web (basically a proper virtual machine perhaps like Squeak/Pharo). But as soon as you cut off ways to make the Web more "engaging", it makes it far less interesting for the ads market, so less contents. Even individual content producers (e.g. Youtubers, Twitchers) look for monetization these days.
    - jhgb 6y ago
      > and a separate active web (basically a proper virtual machine perhaps like Squeak/Pharo). Something like WebAssembly, then?
      - astrobe_ 6y ago
        AFAICT WebAssembly is in the continuum of HTML/CSS/JS, and is intended to "make things faster", so there is no reason to separate things that are essentially text and medias from things that are essentially programs. In other words, WebAssembly won't cut the Gordian knot, in my opinion.
- nosmokewhereiam 6y ago
  I bet this is related to Eternal September
kristopolous 6y ago
I've, unrealistically wanted there to be "read only" access where someone would then apply to some organization demonstrating aptitude for write access. I'm just joking but then again I'm really not

IMO, the Web could stand to be a little bit harder to use.

krapp 6y ago

Why?

antepodius 6y ago
To filter out idiots and the lazy. 'Normies'.
- oxford_comma 6y ago
  Here is where I consider myself a segregationist. Give them their web: Facebook, YouTube, Google, et al. -- leave me out of normie net.
  - kwhitefoot 6y ago
    You needn't join in. You are free to segregate yourself.
    - ZWoz 6y ago
      Are they? You still are in same infrastructure and legal framework. Thats like saying you are free not visiting neighbouring apartments. Their "influence" (smoke, noise) is still leaking to your space. Same with web. Like facebook negatively affecting separated web forums.
      - krapp 6y ago
        You can find another infrastructure and legal framework like Project Gemini, and I'm sure other separatist protocols will pop up in the future.
- astrobe_ 6y ago
  Snobbism aside, I would gladly give up on some "usability" for a passive web (basically raw HTML or even Gopher or Gemini) and a separate active web (basically a proper virtual machine perhaps like Squeak/Pharo). But as soon as you cut off ways to make the Web more "engaging", it makes it far less interesting for the ads market, so less contents. Even individual content producers (e.g. Youtubers, Twitchers) look for monetization these days.
  - jhgb 6y ago
    > and a separate active web (basically a proper virtual machine perhaps like Squeak/Pharo). Something like WebAssembly, then?
    - astrobe_ 6y ago
      AFAICT WebAssembly is in the continuum of HTML/CSS/JS, and is intended to "make things faster", so there is no reason to separate things that are essentially text and medias from things that are essentially programs. In other words, WebAssembly won't cut the Gordian knot, in my opinion.
nosmokewhereiam 6y ago
I bet this is related to Eternal September

kristopolous 6y ago

I've, unrealistically wanted there to be "read only" access where someone would then apply to some organization demonstrating aptitude for write access. I'm just joking but then again I'm really not