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> That future looks extremely scary. What can we do, now, as developers ? Stop buying, using, and supporting the Apple ecosystem. Vote with your money. The new

> That future looks extremely scary. What can we do, now, as developers ? Stop buying, using, and supporting the Apple ecosystem. Vote with your money. The new chips are faster. So what? The laptop you have today works fine, you don't need the latest and greatest hardware.

bsaul 6y ago
i code iOS (native) app for a living. I'm already stuck developing for the app store, using xcode to sign and deploy, using a programming language (that i love) swift that only really works on mac OS. My personal situation isn't going to change anytime soon unfortunately. I was about to dump my iphone next time i had to pick one (and keep my current one for testing), however my laptop is my work computer. I think "stop being part of the ecosystem" isn't realistic for many of us. We don't want to work on crap hardware, with a crap OS because that would make us unhappy and unproductive (or in my case, would simply not be an option at all). However, we can use this current hardware /software to try and build the next generation of tools we would happily be using. My question now being : where to start ?
- jason0597 6y ago
  >We don't want to work on crap hardware, with a crap OS because that would make us unhappy and unproductive (or in my case, would simply not be an option at all). You consider a Thinkpad with Linux installed and configured properly as "crap hardware, with a crap OS"? Really?
- fsflover 6y ago
  > My personal situation isn't going to change anytime soon unfortunately. It's enough if you just start to seek a way out. Even if it takes years, after you eventually do it, it will be worth it.
- riquito 6y ago
  Stopping saying that the rest is crap would be a start
- pantulis 6y ago
  "What can we do, now, as developers ?" "i code iOS (native) app for a living." I think you answered yourself. I am not anti-Apple myself and think it's fine being in the Apple world and buying their crap but if you have doubts about Apple's overarching impact on technology in general, you should beging by ending your relationship with that ecosystem as soon as possible.
- thotsBgone 6y ago
  > How can we stop the nazis? P.S. I work as a nazi for a living. How about find another way to make a living which lines up with your ethics? (P.S. this comment does not compare Apple to nazis)
  - dang 6y ago
    Please don't do this here.
- driverdan 6y ago
  If you choose to work in their ecosystem of course you're going to be stuck with whatever Apple does. If you're capable of building iOS apps you're capable of learning other languages and working on something else. There isn't much you can do other than sucking up what they feed you or getting a new job. If there's a 3rd option I'd love to hear it.
- nitrogen 6y ago
  My question now being : where to start ? IMO what an alternative needs is momentum, mindshare, and a reality distortion field of its own. Find out how to get a million prople to believe in the need for a next thing, and convince them to cooperatively choose the same next thing. And somehow keep that thing from being mangled in the process.
- midrus 6y ago
  Make an extra effort to learn something else and move away. If you are already making a living by building ios apps, you're smart enough to be a developer in any other ecosystem. I have a co-worker that was in your exact same situation and just by showing interest in the devops world and sitting next to them and expressing his interest in that area he managed to just move there and now he loves it. You might find something similar, it just takes will, courage and effort.
- cageface 6y ago
  After ten years doing iOS apps I switched back to web development and I only wish I’d done it sooner. I feel like I escaped a long, abusive relationship. In hindsight I marvel that I ever allowed a single corporation to have absolute control over whether or not I’m allowed to publish my work to users.
- ekianjo 6y ago
  > with a crap OS So anything that is not macOS is crap now?
FpUser 6y ago
>"The new chips are faster. So what?" I am curious if it will be faster on sustained loads comparatively to some gaming grade laptops.
- npunt 6y ago
  That's already been answered by reviews, the answer is there's a dip in sustained performance for the fanless Air but not on the Pro and Mini, and the fan noise on those is almost imperceptible.
maxk42 6y ago
AMD's been making some pretty fast chips, lately.
michaelmrose 6y ago
It's not even necessarily faster so much as liable to have a better battery life.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  My guess from what I've seen 2X any other laptop of "similar" size and capabilities. It looks great from a technical standpoint.

bsaul 6y ago

i code iOS (native) app for a living. I'm already stuck developing for the app store, using xcode to sign and deploy, using a programming language (that i love) swift that only really works on mac OS. My personal situation isn't going to change anytime soon unfortunately. I was about to dump my iphone next time i had to pick one (and keep my current one for testing), however my laptop is my work computer. I think "stop being part of the ecosystem" isn't realistic for many of us. We don't want to work on crap hardware, with a crap OS because that would make us unhappy and unproductive (or in my case, would simply not be an option at all). However, we can use this current hardware /software to try and build the next generation of tools we would happily be using. My question now being : where to start ?

jason0597 6y ago
>We don't want to work on crap hardware, with a crap OS because that would make us unhappy and unproductive (or in my case, would simply not be an option at all). You consider a Thinkpad with Linux installed and configured properly as "crap hardware, with a crap OS"? Really?
fsflover 6y ago
> My personal situation isn't going to change anytime soon unfortunately. It's enough if you just start to seek a way out. Even if it takes years, after you eventually do it, it will be worth it.
riquito 6y ago
Stopping saying that the rest is crap would be a start
pantulis 6y ago
"What can we do, now, as developers ?" "i code iOS (native) app for a living." I think you answered yourself. I am not anti-Apple myself and think it's fine being in the Apple world and buying their crap but if you have doubts about Apple's overarching impact on technology in general, you should beging by ending your relationship with that ecosystem as soon as possible.
thotsBgone 6y ago
> How can we stop the nazis? P.S. I work as a nazi for a living. How about find another way to make a living which lines up with your ethics? (P.S. this comment does not compare Apple to nazis)
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't do this here.
driverdan 6y ago
If you choose to work in their ecosystem of course you're going to be stuck with whatever Apple does. If you're capable of building iOS apps you're capable of learning other languages and working on something else. There isn't much you can do other than sucking up what they feed you or getting a new job. If there's a 3rd option I'd love to hear it.
nitrogen 6y ago
My question now being : where to start ? IMO what an alternative needs is momentum, mindshare, and a reality distortion field of its own. Find out how to get a million prople to believe in the need for a next thing, and convince them to cooperatively choose the same next thing. And somehow keep that thing from being mangled in the process.
midrus 6y ago
Make an extra effort to learn something else and move away. If you are already making a living by building ios apps, you're smart enough to be a developer in any other ecosystem. I have a co-worker that was in your exact same situation and just by showing interest in the devops world and sitting next to them and expressing his interest in that area he managed to just move there and now he loves it. You might find something similar, it just takes will, courage and effort.
cageface 6y ago
After ten years doing iOS apps I switched back to web development and I only wish I’d done it sooner. I feel like I escaped a long, abusive relationship. In hindsight I marvel that I ever allowed a single corporation to have absolute control over whether or not I’m allowed to publish my work to users.
ekianjo 6y ago
> with a crap OS So anything that is not macOS is crap now?

FpUser 6y ago

>"The new chips are faster. So what?" I am curious if it will be faster on sustained loads comparatively to some gaming grade laptops.

npunt 6y ago
That's already been answered by reviews, the answer is there's a dip in sustained performance for the fanless Air but not on the Pro and Mini, and the fan noise on those is almost imperceptible.

maxk42 6y ago

AMD's been making some pretty fast chips, lately.

michaelmrose 6y ago

It's not even necessarily faster so much as liable to have a better battery life.

stjohnswarts 6y ago
My guess from what I've seen 2X any other laptop of "similar" size and capabilities. It looks great from a technical standpoint.