>The need to handle application infrastructure (I see this different than managing core business services infrastructure like AD, email, finance systems, etc.)

>The need to handle application infrastructure (I see this different than managing core business services infrastructure like AD, email, finance systems, etc.) This point goes by quickly but it's important. One of the biggest factors in my employer's relative reasonableness is IT's corporate network and engineering's production environment have nothing to do with each other. Separate teams, datacenters, stacks, and cultures. We still have a group that will write a change management plan in Microsoft Word to work on the corporate finance Oracle instance during a scheduled downtime window. But I can release my new API endpoint to customers whenever I want (after code review) using a contemporary CI/CD workflow.