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From recent usage of the term 'bricked' here on HN I think those of us who consider bricking to at least require use of JTAG to alleviate to have lost the battl

From recent usage of the term 'bricked' here on HN I think those of us who consider bricking to at least require use of JTAG to alleviate to have lost the battle.

reaperducer 6y ago
I suspect few people on HN have truly experienced a "bricked" device in their lifetime. To you and me: Static electricity from the carpet discharging into the joystick port of a Commodore 64? Bricked. Yanked a cable from my Raspberry Pi and had to reboot in an unconventional manner? Not bricked.
- wil421 6y ago
  I thought the same thing about an earlier post when someone said their MacBook Pro with a T2 chip was bricked. Something messed up and they had to use a special boot procedure while they were connected to another Mac to reflash the T2. People were up arms but I call not bricked!
- sbassi 6y ago
  "Static electricity from the carpet discharging into the joystick port of a Commodore 64" Changing the CIA chip will fix the machine.
  - bigiain 6y ago
    In my head at least, that’s a pretty good determinate of “Bricked” Does it require a soldering iron to fix it? No. Not “bricked” Yes. “bricked” (But I also totally accept that technical people are going to lose the language war here, same as when I used to rant about rc quadcopters not being “drones” since they’re not autonomous.)
    - spijdar 6y ago
      To some people, soldering isn't a big deal. To others, having to do a full drive reformat may be as intimidating as using a soldering iron. Contrast to the second point, where non-autonomous quadrocopters are emphatically not "drones". Unless you consider the IMU and feedback loops that keep it level "autonomous", since it is technically some degree of autonomy... Anyway, I'd be a little more specific and say something is "bricked" when it cannot be repaired with the speaker's skill level or equipment. Ultimate bricking would be frying an IC with e.g. heat or ESD. Good luck removing those few hundred atoms shorting something inside.

From recent usage of the term 'bricked' here on HN I think those of us who consider bricking to at least require use of JTAG to alleviate to have lost the battle.

reaperducer 6y ago

I suspect few people on HN have truly experienced a "bricked" device in their lifetime. To you and me: Static electricity from the carpet discharging into the joystick port of a Commodore 64? Bricked. Yanked a cable from my Raspberry Pi and had to reboot in an unconventional manner? Not bricked.

wil421 6y ago
I thought the same thing about an earlier post when someone said their MacBook Pro with a T2 chip was bricked. Something messed up and they had to use a special boot procedure while they were connected to another Mac to reflash the T2. People were up arms but I call not bricked!
sbassi 6y ago
"Static electricity from the carpet discharging into the joystick port of a Commodore 64" Changing the CIA chip will fix the machine.
- bigiain 6y ago
  In my head at least, that’s a pretty good determinate of “Bricked” Does it require a soldering iron to fix it? No. Not “bricked” Yes. “bricked” (But I also totally accept that technical people are going to lose the language war here, same as when I used to rant about rc quadcopters not being “drones” since they’re not autonomous.)
  - spijdar 6y ago
    To some people, soldering isn't a big deal. To others, having to do a full drive reformat may be as intimidating as using a soldering iron. Contrast to the second point, where non-autonomous quadrocopters are emphatically not "drones". Unless you consider the IMU and feedback loops that keep it level "autonomous", since it is technically some degree of autonomy... Anyway, I'd be a little more specific and say something is "bricked" when it cannot be repaired with the speaker's skill level or equipment. Ultimate bricking would be frying an IC with e.g. heat or ESD. Good luck removing those few hundred atoms shorting something inside.