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I don't see how it is grotesque. No one is forced to buy these products, they can just as easily buy a competitor's or go the distance and build their own. I p

I don't see how it is grotesque. No one is forced to buy these products, they can just as easily buy a competitor's or go the distance and build their own. I prefer to have my devices work with minimal effort on my part, and with "good enough" security I can trust.

realusername 6y ago
> I prefer to have my devices work with minimal effort on my part, and with "good enough" security I can trust. I mean, everyone has their own acceptable definition of security, I also don't use Apple devices because I cannot check the security of it and any action I could take regarding securing it better means I need to exploit my device...
- kevindong 6y ago
  How do you check the security of _any_ device (e.g. Android, laptop, TV, watch, etc. basically anything that contains software that communicates with external servers) that you purchase? Even with open source projects, it'd be a Herculean task to confirm that your purchased devices actually contain the same source code that's published (e.g. imagine trying to confirm that the firmware on your wifi card is actually what it says it is).
  - realusername 6y ago
    > How do you check the security of _any_ device (e.g. Android, laptop, TV, watch, etc. basically anything that contains software that communicates with external servers) that you purchase? I generally try first to buy hardware I can install myself the OS, that removes the temptation of the manufacturer to use the product as a data gathering tool. > Even with open source projects, it'd be a Herculean task to confirm that your purchased devices actually contain the same source code that's published (e.g. imagine trying to confirm that the firmware on your wifi card is actually what it says it is). When it's open source, there are always more eyeballs on the system, it's not perfect but it's always a better guarantee of security and privacy.

realusername 6y ago

> I prefer to have my devices work with minimal effort on my part, and with "good enough" security I can trust. I mean, everyone has their own acceptable definition of security, I also don't use Apple devices because I cannot check the security of it and any action I could take regarding securing it better means I need to exploit my device...

kevindong 6y ago
How do you check the security of _any_ device (e.g. Android, laptop, TV, watch, etc. basically anything that contains software that communicates with external servers) that you purchase? Even with open source projects, it'd be a Herculean task to confirm that your purchased devices actually contain the same source code that's published (e.g. imagine trying to confirm that the firmware on your wifi card is actually what it says it is).
- realusername 6y ago
  > How do you check the security of _any_ device (e.g. Android, laptop, TV, watch, etc. basically anything that contains software that communicates with external servers) that you purchase? I generally try first to buy hardware I can install myself the OS, that removes the temptation of the manufacturer to use the product as a data gathering tool. > Even with open source projects, it'd be a Herculean task to confirm that your purchased devices actually contain the same source code that's published (e.g. imagine trying to confirm that the firmware on your wifi card is actually what it says it is). When it's open source, there are always more eyeballs on the system, it's not perfect but it's always a better guarantee of security and privacy.