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I thought that it was accepted that the main benefit was in protecting other people. I wear a mask and a transparent face shield together. I believe that this c

I thought that it was accepted that the main benefit was in protecting other people. I wear a mask and a transparent face shield together. I believe that this combination offers me some protection and a lot of protection for people near me, so it seems like an obvious thing to do. BTW, I find cloth masks not so comfortable, but the plastic face shield is no real additional discomfort at all.

BrandoElFollito 6y ago
For me the discomfort is really about my glasses that get fogged. It is much better with the FFP-3 masks than with the typical surgical ones.
- eatbitseveryday 6y ago
  Glasses don’t get as fogged if you have a surgical mask with a metal wire for the nose clamp. Fits better than a plastic insert and does not let air shoot out the top into your eyes when you exhale.
  - toyg 6y ago
    You must have a very straight nose. Definitely not the case for me even with metal-souled surgicals - anything but FFP3 masks (with soft material over the nose for a tight seal) results in foggy glasses. To limit the effect with surgicals, I have to drag the clamp so much upwards that the mask is literally under my eyelids.
    - BigJ1211 6y ago
      I saw some doctor using a band-aid on the nose to prevent the fogging of his glasses. Don't know how well that works, it hit the frontpage of reddit iirc.
- microtherion 6y ago
  I recently learned that a microfiber cloth (resealed in a ziploc bag between applications) helps a lot with the fogging.
heyoo 6y ago
I also thought this was already general consensus. I.e. that face masks are used to prevent you from spreading disease, if you are infected but without symptoms.
nottorp 6y ago
Yep, they're there to prevent spreading germs to others. Surgeons don't wear them to protect themselves from the patient, but so they don't breathe over their open body. Did that need a study?
raziel2p 6y ago
I can't find a source right now but I remember reading that people were more likely to wear a mask if they think it protects themselves rather than those around you, so there's some humanitarian value in pushing that narrative even if it's not technically true.
- Tyrek 6y ago
  I appreciate the intention, but this is the sort of approach that leads to a long-term distrust of what 'the scientists' say - if we let politicians dictate the scientific message and consensus, then there's no room to criticize when the scientific message gets politicized and ignored.
  - mfer 6y ago
    There are studies that show a mask is effective in protecting the wearer. The one I can immediately remember is https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/11/16/beaumont-study-shows-effectiveness-masks-covid-19-spread/6314336002/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/11/16/beaumont-...
    - Gwypaas 6y ago
      Do you also handle your mask and other PPE like this? [0] From the comments the even the linked video is not perfect. This is the problem with the public advice, humans are imperfect and will always be, maybe our kids will be better due to growing up with them. Hopefully the masks have some positive effect at least. There's never been a question about medical settings. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUo5O1JmLH0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUo5O1JmLH0
  - raziel2p 6y ago
    In comparison with conspiracy theories, populism, outrage culture, and people getting their news from facebook, I'm pretty sure this is a drop in the ocean when it comes to distrust of scientists. Also, let's assume the facts are that masks are 5-10% effective in protecting the wearer. The phrases "masks can protect you" or "masks have little effect in protecting you" are both true from a scientific point of view, agree? I don't think it's a good idea to push fake statistics or cherry-pick studies, but I do prefer the former phrasing from a political and humanitarian point of view. EDIT: former, not latter :)
Symmetry 6y ago
Yes, wearing a mask doesn't protect you against infection from droplets in your eye. And aerosols tend to shrink a bit through evaporation between when they might be exhaled and someone else inhales them. So there's some asymmetry between masks protecting yourself and protecting other, but it isn't clear how much.
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BrandoElFollito 6y ago

For me the discomfort is really about my glasses that get fogged. It is much better with the FFP-3 masks than with the typical surgical ones.

eatbitseveryday 6y ago
Glasses don’t get as fogged if you have a surgical mask with a metal wire for the nose clamp. Fits better than a plastic insert and does not let air shoot out the top into your eyes when you exhale.
- toyg 6y ago
  You must have a very straight nose. Definitely not the case for me even with metal-souled surgicals - anything but FFP3 masks (with soft material over the nose for a tight seal) results in foggy glasses. To limit the effect with surgicals, I have to drag the clamp so much upwards that the mask is literally under my eyelids.
  - BigJ1211 6y ago
    I saw some doctor using a band-aid on the nose to prevent the fogging of his glasses. Don't know how well that works, it hit the frontpage of reddit iirc.
microtherion 6y ago
I recently learned that a microfiber cloth (resealed in a ziploc bag between applications) helps a lot with the fogging.

heyoo 6y ago

I also thought this was already general consensus. I.e. that face masks are used to prevent you from spreading disease, if you are infected but without symptoms.

nottorp 6y ago

Yep, they're there to prevent spreading germs to others. Surgeons don't wear them to protect themselves from the patient, but so they don't breathe over their open body. Did that need a study?

raziel2p 6y ago

I can't find a source right now but I remember reading that people were more likely to wear a mask if they think it protects themselves rather than those around you, so there's some humanitarian value in pushing that narrative even if it's not technically true.

Tyrek 6y ago
I appreciate the intention, but this is the sort of approach that leads to a long-term distrust of what 'the scientists' say - if we let politicians dictate the scientific message and consensus, then there's no room to criticize when the scientific message gets politicized and ignored.
- mfer 6y ago
  There are studies that show a mask is effective in protecting the wearer. The one I can immediately remember is https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/11/16/beaumont-study-shows-effectiveness-masks-covid-19-spread/6314336002/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/11/16/beaumont-...
  - Gwypaas 6y ago
    Do you also handle your mask and other PPE like this? [0] From the comments the even the linked video is not perfect. This is the problem with the public advice, humans are imperfect and will always be, maybe our kids will be better due to growing up with them. Hopefully the masks have some positive effect at least. There's never been a question about medical settings. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUo5O1JmLH0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUo5O1JmLH0
- raziel2p 6y ago
  In comparison with conspiracy theories, populism, outrage culture, and people getting their news from facebook, I'm pretty sure this is a drop in the ocean when it comes to distrust of scientists. Also, let's assume the facts are that masks are 5-10% effective in protecting the wearer. The phrases "masks can protect you" or "masks have little effect in protecting you" are both true from a scientific point of view, agree? I don't think it's a good idea to push fake statistics or cherry-pick studies, but I do prefer the former phrasing from a political and humanitarian point of view. EDIT: former, not latter :)

Symmetry 6y ago

Yes, wearing a mask doesn't protect you against infection from droplets in your eye. And aerosols tend to shrink a bit through evaporation between when they might be exhaled and someone else inhales them. So there's some asymmetry between masks protecting yourself and protecting other, but it isn't clear how much.

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