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Do you think private companies will require vaccination to return to work? *Here is an article I found on the subject. Essentially stating in general employers

Do you think private companies will require vaccination to return to work? *Here is an article I found on the subject. Essentially stating in general employers could require vaccination. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/08/26/coronavirus-vaccine-mandates-covid-19/3346210001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/08/26/coronavirus-...

strombofulous 6y ago
I hope so. I would be upset if I got the vaccine and people who didn't have it were allowed to work near me, but I would just keep WFH. I would be outraged if I were forced to work with them
- unnouinceput 6y ago
  Why would you be upset for? It's their life, not yours. Once you get vaccinated, ideally, you get immune to the virus. You neither can develop the disease nor spread it. It's the same as saying you don't want to work with people who didn't got vaccinated by any other number of vaccines (let you search wiki for full list as exercise) and I'm pretty sure it already happened.
  - macintux 6y ago
    * the vaccine is not 100% effective * we don’t yet know whether the vaccine prevents transmission. You can probably be a carrier and spreader even if vaccinated Those two facts alone mean we’re going to be wearing masks for quite some time, things won’t go back to normal for a while, and people are justified in being upset with others who refuse to protect everyone around them.
    - unnouinceput 6y ago
      You really missed my point. Read again my above comment.
    - bamboozled 6y ago
      If we don’t even know a basic facts about the vaccine (whether people vaccinated can still transmit, how long it lasts), isn’t it natural for people too feel concerned about what else we don’t know ? Seems to be a few unknowns still ?
      - floatingatoll 6y ago
        It’s natural for people to want perfect certainty before making health care decisions. That’s why public health policy exists: because there is never perfect certainty in vaccination, and yet we’ll be required to all the same.
  - vharuck 6y ago
    >It's their life, not yours It's a lot of people's lives, not just theirs. Like with most vaccines, there'll be a fraction of the population who cannot safely get vaccinated. We need to think of this from a public health perspective: more unvaccinated people in spreading-prone situations means more risk to others (including those beyond the immediate situation) and more burden on health systems.
    - unnouinceput 6y ago
      Dude, read my point again. I was asking why would he get upset if is his colleagues decide not to vaccinate. Not anything else.
      - just-juan-post 6y ago
        isn't in insane how over the last few months people just assume their fellow man is a murderer for BREATHING? this virus is causing more insanity than health effects.
  - bluGill 6y ago
    Because it is only 95% effective. If everyone around me is also vaccinated it is likely that even if my vaccine doesn't work I'm still protected. This is what herd immunity is about. Note that we don't know if vaccinated people can spread covid or not. It seems unlikely, but if it turns out being vaccinated means you become a non-symptomatic super spreader I reserve the right to change my stance based on that information.
    - anonuser123456 6y ago
      The 95% effective is not a cliff function. The 5% that ‘get it’ have mild symptoms. We won’t know how effective it at preventing serious disease until millions have been inoculated, but it will likely be 99%+ effective with that outcome.
      - bluGill 6y ago
        We know that in one of the trials one of the serious cases was in the intervention group. We will of course need a lot more data to figure out what the real reduction in rate of serious events is.
  - prh8 6y ago
    > It's their life, not yours This attitude is why the pandemic rages on with such intensity in so many places
  - strombofulous 6y ago
    Because I don't want to be around people with a disease that's serious enough to shut down our society, if I am only 95% resistant to it
    - fuzxi 6y ago
      The 95% effective figure refers to the percentage of people who develop full immunity, not how resistant an individual is. A more accurate way of phrasing that would be "[...] if I only have a 95% chance of immunity". I don't mean to split hairs; the distinction is important.
kube-system 6y ago
I think it will depend on the political climate of the particular workspace.
ghaff 6y ago
I fully expect that once it is widely available (major caveat), many workplaces and schools will require it absent medical exceptions. Certainly, most schools require vaccinations today and I don't expect there will be a lot of sympathy for those that want to hold off.
- peteradio 6y ago
  Most schools require vaccines which have been in circulation for a long long time and presumably whose long term risks are well understood. I think it would be pretty stupid to force mass vaccinate such a rushed vaccine, don't you think?
  - massysett 6y ago
    A lot less stupid than continuing with "distance learning".
    - peteradio 6y ago
      You and I have very different definitions of stupid. Requiring an entire country to go whole hog on something with zero real understanding of long term effects is my definition of stupid. When is that ever the wise thing to do?
      - floatingatoll 6y ago
        It was the wise thing to do for the polio vaccine.
        peteradio 6y ago
        The risk profile for all the age groups is wildly different. I don't think its a bad idea for people > age X to get this vaccine, one because they have a much higher risk of serious harm from corona _AND_ perhaps less risk of long term affects. But for someone who has very low risk of serious harm from corona, perhaps it makes sense to wait a little bit?

strombofulous 6y ago

I hope so. I would be upset if I got the vaccine and people who didn't have it were allowed to work near me, but I would just keep WFH. I would be outraged if I were forced to work with them

unnouinceput 6y ago
Why would you be upset for? It's their life, not yours. Once you get vaccinated, ideally, you get immune to the virus. You neither can develop the disease nor spread it. It's the same as saying you don't want to work with people who didn't got vaccinated by any other number of vaccines (let you search wiki for full list as exercise) and I'm pretty sure it already happened.
- macintux 6y ago
  * the vaccine is not 100% effective * we don’t yet know whether the vaccine prevents transmission. You can probably be a carrier and spreader even if vaccinated Those two facts alone mean we’re going to be wearing masks for quite some time, things won’t go back to normal for a while, and people are justified in being upset with others who refuse to protect everyone around them.
  - unnouinceput 6y ago
    You really missed my point. Read again my above comment.
  - bamboozled 6y ago
    If we don’t even know a basic facts about the vaccine (whether people vaccinated can still transmit, how long it lasts), isn’t it natural for people too feel concerned about what else we don’t know ? Seems to be a few unknowns still ?
    - floatingatoll 6y ago
      It’s natural for people to want perfect certainty before making health care decisions. That’s why public health policy exists: because there is never perfect certainty in vaccination, and yet we’ll be required to all the same.
- vharuck 6y ago
  >It's their life, not yours It's a lot of people's lives, not just theirs. Like with most vaccines, there'll be a fraction of the population who cannot safely get vaccinated. We need to think of this from a public health perspective: more unvaccinated people in spreading-prone situations means more risk to others (including those beyond the immediate situation) and more burden on health systems.
  - unnouinceput 6y ago
    Dude, read my point again. I was asking why would he get upset if is his colleagues decide not to vaccinate. Not anything else.
    - just-juan-post 6y ago
      isn't in insane how over the last few months people just assume their fellow man is a murderer for BREATHING? this virus is causing more insanity than health effects.
- bluGill 6y ago
  Because it is only 95% effective. If everyone around me is also vaccinated it is likely that even if my vaccine doesn't work I'm still protected. This is what herd immunity is about. Note that we don't know if vaccinated people can spread covid or not. It seems unlikely, but if it turns out being vaccinated means you become a non-symptomatic super spreader I reserve the right to change my stance based on that information.
  - anonuser123456 6y ago
    The 95% effective is not a cliff function. The 5% that ‘get it’ have mild symptoms. We won’t know how effective it at preventing serious disease until millions have been inoculated, but it will likely be 99%+ effective with that outcome.
    - bluGill 6y ago
      We know that in one of the trials one of the serious cases was in the intervention group. We will of course need a lot more data to figure out what the real reduction in rate of serious events is.
- prh8 6y ago
  > It's their life, not yours This attitude is why the pandemic rages on with such intensity in so many places
- strombofulous 6y ago
  Because I don't want to be around people with a disease that's serious enough to shut down our society, if I am only 95% resistant to it
  - fuzxi 6y ago
    The 95% effective figure refers to the percentage of people who develop full immunity, not how resistant an individual is. A more accurate way of phrasing that would be "[...] if I only have a 95% chance of immunity". I don't mean to split hairs; the distinction is important.

kube-system 6y ago

I think it will depend on the political climate of the particular workspace.

ghaff 6y ago

I fully expect that once it is widely available (major caveat), many workplaces and schools will require it absent medical exceptions. Certainly, most schools require vaccinations today and I don't expect there will be a lot of sympathy for those that want to hold off.

peteradio 6y ago
Most schools require vaccines which have been in circulation for a long long time and presumably whose long term risks are well understood. I think it would be pretty stupid to force mass vaccinate such a rushed vaccine, don't you think?
- massysett 6y ago
  A lot less stupid than continuing with "distance learning".
  - peteradio 6y ago
    You and I have very different definitions of stupid. Requiring an entire country to go whole hog on something with zero real understanding of long term effects is my definition of stupid. When is that ever the wise thing to do?
    - floatingatoll 6y ago
      It was the wise thing to do for the polio vaccine.
      - peteradio 6y ago
        The risk profile for all the age groups is wildly different. I don't think its a bad idea for people > age X to get this vaccine, one because they have a much higher risk of serious harm from corona _AND_ perhaps less risk of long term affects. But for someone who has very low risk of serious harm from corona, perhaps it makes sense to wait a little bit?