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I personally don't think it means less, it just leads to different conclusions. While I still see class as the predominant factor, I still believe everyone woul

I personally don't think it means less, it just leads to different conclusions. While I still see class as the predominant factor, I still believe everyone would benefit from seeing "different" people in more spaces, regardless of class. For example, a rich black man still has things to add that a white man doesn't, for example, simply because of how being black influenced their own experiences which in turn mold the person they are now.

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
So someone black is just different enough to admitted to these spaces, but someone poor isn't? Economic apartheid isn't just endemic in the US, it's a core value and seen as a positive thing. And gender/race identity politics are not a serious threat to it. Because it means corporations can carry on being corporations as long as they have a couple of privileged middle class women in the boardroom. It's an improvement of sorts, but only in a very limited way. Time and time again in the US we've seen this does nothing to alter the predatory values that make corporations so toxic. Ultimately it's not about tribal identity at all. It isn't even about class. It's about values. Is your culture driven by generosity, maturity, open-mindedness, and curiosity, or is it motivated by greed, narcissism, selfishness, competitive snobbery, and naive tribal identification which is relentlessly hostile to out groups? Identity politics without value politics is a superficial band-aid which can't fix the political and economic hemorrhaging caused by the unaddressed underlying condition.
- Kaze404 6y ago
  > So someone black is just different enough to admitted to these spaces, but someone poor isn't? Yes they are. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I was arguing against that, but to be clear I'm advocating for "identity politics" complimenting the class struggle, not the two being mutually exclusive.

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago

So someone black is just different enough to admitted to these spaces, but someone poor isn't? Economic apartheid isn't just endemic in the US, it's a core value and seen as a positive thing. And gender/race identity politics are not a serious threat to it. Because it means corporations can carry on being corporations as long as they have a couple of privileged middle class women in the boardroom. It's an improvement of sorts, but only in a very limited way. Time and time again in the US we've seen this does nothing to alter the predatory values that make corporations so toxic. Ultimately it's not about tribal identity at all. It isn't even about class. It's about values. Is your culture driven by generosity, maturity, open-mindedness, and curiosity, or is it motivated by greed, narcissism, selfishness, competitive snobbery, and naive tribal identification which is relentlessly hostile to out groups? Identity politics without value politics is a superficial band-aid which can't fix the political and economic hemorrhaging caused by the unaddressed underlying condition.

Kaze404 6y ago
> So someone black is just different enough to admitted to these spaces, but someone poor isn't? Yes they are. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I was arguing against that, but to be clear I'm advocating for "identity politics" complimenting the class struggle, not the two being mutually exclusive.