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I don't know why he is being downvoted but I agree here. Rust is a novel lang. Its a general purpose lang unlike swift which is made specifically for Apple ecos

I don't know why he is being downvoted but I agree here. Rust is a novel lang. Its a general purpose lang unlike swift which is made specifically for Apple ecosystem. Just because apple made a swift doesn't mean its design is better.

jamil7 6y ago
I didn't downvote. But I think the downvotes are because it apprently isn't possible on HN to have a discussion about any language without Rust evangelists appearing. We get it, it's great and deserves it's praise but doesn't need to be mentioned everywhere. The topic also had nothing to do with language design.
mrtksn 6y ago
I downvoted because it is needlessly hostile without adding anything to the discussion. The topic here is that Swift developers made a release of an open source software and it is not if Swift is the best or if Rust is better. Why would you try to steer it in that direction? It's like having your friend serving you his Lasagne that worked on and is pride of, then have someone in the group saying that Brussels sprouts is a better meal but we are going to eat this because most people don't care enough about their health or don't know better. Don't be that person if you want to be likeable.
- est31 6y ago
  Almost all top comments in this thread are evaluating the Swift language instead of the library: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158147 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158147 spends 530 characters on their past programming life and an evaluation of the Swift language, and only then ends the comment with "I'll definitely check this one out." * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25157942 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25157942 mostly talks about the language as well instead of this ssh library. It's a bit more on topic though as it talks about swift on the server, which this library can belong to (but doesn't have to, the library also has a ssh client part). Still, way offtopic if you are strict. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158932 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158932 alright so this comment is actually about the SSH library. Only barely has any replies though. Apparently hn'ers don't like to talk about the ssh library. * And there is my comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158334 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158334 which as of now has the most discussion, but it's downvoted at a -4 score ATM. I actually came to this thread where these responses were the top replies (except for the single one which is actually on-topic, it wasn't present yet). So I thought I'd add my own. Also it's sad how nobody replied to the second part of my post. I think that employability is a clear benefit of Swift and Go over Rust. If I check indeed Germany for "Swift Software", I get 596 results. If I check "Go Software" I get 2463 jobs. Checking "Rust Software" gives me 131 results. A big difference.
  - mrtksn 6y ago
    I’m not an authority, my opinion is that cold calls to pitch an alternative tools when people are discussing something is annoying and distracting and don’t bring anything to the discussion. Talking about Swift is not irrelevant as it is a prerequisite to use the software in question. I guess If you have replied to someone asking if Swift or something else is worth learning, I would have upvoted you. The way it is just feels spammy.

jamil7 6y ago

I didn't downvote. But I think the downvotes are because it apprently isn't possible on HN to have a discussion about any language without Rust evangelists appearing. We get it, it's great and deserves it's praise but doesn't need to be mentioned everywhere. The topic also had nothing to do with language design.

mrtksn 6y ago

I downvoted because it is needlessly hostile without adding anything to the discussion. The topic here is that Swift developers made a release of an open source software and it is not if Swift is the best or if Rust is better. Why would you try to steer it in that direction? It's like having your friend serving you his Lasagne that worked on and is pride of, then have someone in the group saying that Brussels sprouts is a better meal but we are going to eat this because most people don't care enough about their health or don't know better. Don't be that person if you want to be likeable.

est31 6y ago
Almost all top comments in this thread are evaluating the Swift language instead of the library: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158147 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158147 spends 530 characters on their past programming life and an evaluation of the Swift language, and only then ends the comment with "I'll definitely check this one out." * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25157942 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25157942 mostly talks about the language as well instead of this ssh library. It's a bit more on topic though as it talks about swift on the server, which this library can belong to (but doesn't have to, the library also has a ssh client part). Still, way offtopic if you are strict. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158932 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158932 alright so this comment is actually about the SSH library. Only barely has any replies though. Apparently hn'ers don't like to talk about the ssh library. * And there is my comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158334 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25158334 which as of now has the most discussion, but it's downvoted at a -4 score ATM. I actually came to this thread where these responses were the top replies (except for the single one which is actually on-topic, it wasn't present yet). So I thought I'd add my own. Also it's sad how nobody replied to the second part of my post. I think that employability is a clear benefit of Swift and Go over Rust. If I check indeed Germany for "Swift Software", I get 596 results. If I check "Go Software" I get 2463 jobs. Checking "Rust Software" gives me 131 results. A big difference.
- mrtksn 6y ago
  I’m not an authority, my opinion is that cold calls to pitch an alternative tools when people are discussing something is annoying and distracting and don’t bring anything to the discussion. Talking about Swift is not irrelevant as it is a prerequisite to use the software in question. I guess If you have replied to someone asking if Swift or something else is worth learning, I would have upvoted you. The way it is just feels spammy.