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I installed windows NT in a virtual machine for kicks a few months back. Then installed office 97 on it. If you do that and open slack immediately afterwards i

by qz2 6y ago

I installed windows NT in a virtual machine for kicks a few months back. Then installed office 97 on it. If you do that and open slack immediately afterwards it feels painful instantly. The difference in how it feels is quite scary.

johnisgood 6y ago
Partly we can thank this to the "throw more hardware at it" mentality and "lowering the barrier to entry" where noobs create the stuff a lot of us use. People can say all they want that it is good to lower the barrier entry, but that comes with a price. The price that others have to pay when we use their crapware. As long as it is not mandatory though, it is fine, but when it becomes mandatory, it becomes an issue.
- cannedslime 6y ago
  Its your choice to use others "crapware". The price it comes with is all the abuse "noobs" have to take for offering their solutions for free. You don't like HTML frontends, thats sweet, then make your own alternative with Qt or winforms. There is NO "mandatory" electron apps... But there is some great software made with electron that has become very popular. I am confident if something has been made with electron, there is native alternatives out there. Don't like slack? Then use IRC. Don't like my joystick to keyboard/mouse remapper with an electron frontend? Then don't, use one of the many alternatives (Too bad if they don't provide what you are looking for and no one of them seems to be able to modulate output in order to emulate analog controls. But at least it was written by a pro!)
  - johnisgood 6y ago
    I mentioned in my last sentence that as long as it is not mandatory, it is OK, but there are cases where it is mandatory, e.g. at the workplace. I do not use Slack. I use self-hosted Mattermost as a replacement of Slack, I use IRC, and I use Element (formerly known as Riot.im).
    - cannedslime 6y ago
      Well, you will never get around being forced to use something in your workplace. I would never use Cisco VPNs but I had to install their shitty client in every workplace I ever been on.
  - anoncake 6y ago
    > I am confident if something has been made with electron, there is native alternatives out there. Don't like slack? Then use IRC. That only works if you can control what others use (maybe not in the case of Slack, but that's the exception as messengers go).
- coldtea 6y ago
  >Partly we can thank this to the "throw more hardware at it" mentality and "lowering the barrier to entry" where noobs create the stuff a lot of us use. What people don't understand is that it's not a "mentality", it's an economic imperative. It makes sense, business wise, to "throw more hardware at it", and "lowering the barrier to entry" obviously also means that somebody can develop something with lower costs/faster time to market. It's not a question of spoiled devs. It's a question of savvy business people. People not understanding this don't understand how economics works.

by qz2 6y ago

johnisgood 6y ago

Partly we can thank this to the "throw more hardware at it" mentality and "lowering the barrier to entry" where noobs create the stuff a lot of us use. People can say all they want that it is good to lower the barrier entry, but that comes with a price. The price that others have to pay when we use their crapware. As long as it is not mandatory though, it is fine, but when it becomes mandatory, it becomes an issue.

cannedslime 6y ago
Its your choice to use others "crapware". The price it comes with is all the abuse "noobs" have to take for offering their solutions for free. You don't like HTML frontends, thats sweet, then make your own alternative with Qt or winforms. There is NO "mandatory" electron apps... But there is some great software made with electron that has become very popular. I am confident if something has been made with electron, there is native alternatives out there. Don't like slack? Then use IRC. Don't like my joystick to keyboard/mouse remapper with an electron frontend? Then don't, use one of the many alternatives (Too bad if they don't provide what you are looking for and no one of them seems to be able to modulate output in order to emulate analog controls. But at least it was written by a pro!)
- johnisgood 6y ago
  I mentioned in my last sentence that as long as it is not mandatory, it is OK, but there are cases where it is mandatory, e.g. at the workplace. I do not use Slack. I use self-hosted Mattermost as a replacement of Slack, I use IRC, and I use Element (formerly known as Riot.im).
  - cannedslime 6y ago
    Well, you will never get around being forced to use something in your workplace. I would never use Cisco VPNs but I had to install their shitty client in every workplace I ever been on.
- anoncake 6y ago
  > I am confident if something has been made with electron, there is native alternatives out there. Don't like slack? Then use IRC. That only works if you can control what others use (maybe not in the case of Slack, but that's the exception as messengers go).
coldtea 6y ago
>Partly we can thank this to the "throw more hardware at it" mentality and "lowering the barrier to entry" where noobs create the stuff a lot of us use. What people don't understand is that it's not a "mentality", it's an economic imperative. It makes sense, business wise, to "throw more hardware at it", and "lowering the barrier to entry" obviously also means that somebody can develop something with lower costs/faster time to market. It's not a question of spoiled devs. It's a question of savvy business people. People not understanding this don't understand how economics works.