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It depends on what you mean by learning. If you look at the literature it is clear that lockdowns and quarantines are no use against fast spreading infections

It depends on what you mean by learning. If you look at the literature it is clear that lockdowns and quarantines are no use against fast spreading infections which need population wide safety measures and tracking of clusters. The primary approach we have taken is a dramatic departure from established epidemiology. We did have a group focused on looking for and responding to epidemics, but it was disbanded by US leaders who find science uncompelling and inconvenient. Japan responded to CoV2-SARS by attempting to identify and focus on clusters and have had far greater success than the US, so your glib reference to "humanity" and "societies" probably needs finer detail to be completely accurate.

protoman3000 6y ago
I am not talking about lockdowns or quarantines, but I am talking about the disregard or ignorance a vast number of individuals show regarding their own infectiousness towards others. For example, it's unsettling to repeatedly hear about these super spreading events where individuals who know that there is something not right with their health, they do feel sick, they are coughing and show other symptoms, yet go into e.g. the elderly homes for visits or other places with many people and infect everybody. To me this seems to be a cultural issue that could have been educated out of people. Just as in Asian countries masks were a everyday sight before the pandemic but in western societies not, as they integrated it into everyday culture and we didn't. And I am also talking about other cultural issues, such as your mentioned refusal of science. We know from the past that measures regarding personal safety such as e.g. masking (or seat belts!) form loud counter-protest movements, see e.g. the Anti-Mask Leagues [1], which can undermine efforts to stop a pandemic. Yet, we did not work towards dealing with these cultural issues and anticipate or prevent the existence of these movements since the last pandemic. This leads to further impacts. I am wondering if there are any analyses about how the inability of governments and people to deal with the Spanish Flu impacted the susceptibility of people to fall for totalitarianism which eventually lead to WWII. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mask_League_of_San_Francisco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mask_League_of_San_Franci...
- djrogers 6y ago
  > it's unsettling to repeatedly hear about these super spreading events where individuals who know that there is something not right with their health, they do feel sick, they are coughing and show other symptoms, yet go into e.g. the elderly homes Err, what? You’re going to have to back that claim up with more than a Wikipedia link about a 100 year old event. I’ve not heard a single story like the one you appear to be claiming is commonplace...
  - protoman3000 6y ago
    Check out these [1][2]. I’m linking the HN/Reddit discussions so that you have the link to the news-article and the discussion. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25083754 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25083754 [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/iruoh4/update_superspreader_on_pub_crawl_in_bavaria/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/iruoh4/update_...

protoman3000 6y ago

I am not talking about lockdowns or quarantines, but I am talking about the disregard or ignorance a vast number of individuals show regarding their own infectiousness towards others. For example, it's unsettling to repeatedly hear about these super spreading events where individuals who know that there is something not right with their health, they do feel sick, they are coughing and show other symptoms, yet go into e.g. the elderly homes for visits or other places with many people and infect everybody. To me this seems to be a cultural issue that could have been educated out of people. Just as in Asian countries masks were a everyday sight before the pandemic but in western societies not, as they integrated it into everyday culture and we didn't. And I am also talking about other cultural issues, such as your mentioned refusal of science. We know from the past that measures regarding personal safety such as e.g. masking (or seat belts!) form loud counter-protest movements, see e.g. the Anti-Mask Leagues [1], which can undermine efforts to stop a pandemic. Yet, we did not work towards dealing with these cultural issues and anticipate or prevent the existence of these movements since the last pandemic. This leads to further impacts. I am wondering if there are any analyses about how the inability of governments and people to deal with the Spanish Flu impacted the susceptibility of people to fall for totalitarianism which eventually lead to WWII. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mask_League_of_San_Francisco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mask_League_of_San_Franci...

djrogers 6y ago
> it's unsettling to repeatedly hear about these super spreading events where individuals who know that there is something not right with their health, they do feel sick, they are coughing and show other symptoms, yet go into e.g. the elderly homes Err, what? You’re going to have to back that claim up with more than a Wikipedia link about a 100 year old event. I’ve not heard a single story like the one you appear to be claiming is commonplace...
- protoman3000 6y ago
  Check out these [1][2]. I’m linking the HN/Reddit discussions so that you have the link to the news-article and the discussion. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25083754 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25083754 [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/iruoh4/update_superspreader_on_pub_crawl_in_bavaria/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/iruoh4/update_...