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Ya know, if the best you've got is that one guy was maybe wrong about something almost a year ago, then you may not have a particularly strong point.

renewiltord 6y ago
Well, that's the crucial moment. Being right after that is like being right about choosing not to detonate your bomb after you've already detonated it. Your being right is no longer useful.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  Fortunately there are many other public health experts to choose from. You can safely ignore everything Dr. Fauci says and still get good advice.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    Yes, I agree, and that is what I am recommending. Ignore the CDC since they have demonstrated inability to determine the truth. The right reaction to that isn't "do the opposite of the CDC recommendation", it's "use a reliable information source". After all, an unreliable information source should contribute near zero to your priors.
ghastmaster 6y ago
There is this which showed a lower infection rate in non participants of the strict lock-down(mask wearing) study group. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717 The study was not large. Another study found similarly close rates of infection for mask vs no mask: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 From this CDC report we can see that despite widespread mask usage there is infection(as we are seeing in general) https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf Each of these studies have their own issues such as small sample sizes and self reporting. We need more data and studies to make an informed decisions.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  > Each of these studies have their own issues such as small sample sizes and self reporting Agreed. Which is why I choose to wear a mask in public. Wearing it may help, and doesn't hurt. At worst, it is mildly inconvenient.
  - ghastmaster 6y ago
    > Wearing it may help, and doesn't hurt. At worst, it is mildly inconvenient. Your second statement is subjective. Regarding your first statement, there are real and potential negatives: Airflow restrictions on people with COPD/asthma, fogging glasses can cause vision obstruction, tendency to draw closer to hear conversation, false sense of safety, skin irritation, infection if not properly washed, to name a few.

renewiltord 6y ago

Well, that's the crucial moment. Being right after that is like being right about choosing not to detonate your bomb after you've already detonated it. Your being right is no longer useful.

rootusrootus 6y ago
Fortunately there are many other public health experts to choose from. You can safely ignore everything Dr. Fauci says and still get good advice.
- renewiltord 6y ago
  Yes, I agree, and that is what I am recommending. Ignore the CDC since they have demonstrated inability to determine the truth. The right reaction to that isn't "do the opposite of the CDC recommendation", it's "use a reliable information source". After all, an unreliable information source should contribute near zero to your priors.

ghastmaster 6y ago

There is this which showed a lower infection rate in non participants of the strict lock-down(mask wearing) study group. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717 The study was not large. Another study found similarly close rates of infection for mask vs no mask: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 From this CDC report we can see that despite widespread mask usage there is infection(as we are seeing in general) https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf Each of these studies have their own issues such as small sample sizes and self reporting. We need more data and studies to make an informed decisions.

rootusrootus 6y ago
> Each of these studies have their own issues such as small sample sizes and self reporting Agreed. Which is why I choose to wear a mask in public. Wearing it may help, and doesn't hurt. At worst, it is mildly inconvenient.
- ghastmaster 6y ago
  > Wearing it may help, and doesn't hurt. At worst, it is mildly inconvenient. Your second statement is subjective. Regarding your first statement, there are real and potential negatives: Airflow restrictions on people with COPD/asthma, fogging glasses can cause vision obstruction, tendency to draw closer to hear conversation, false sense of safety, skin irritation, infection if not properly washed, to name a few.