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What Fauci said that one time was taken out of context by all the anti-mask idiots (and propagated by Trump himself). Fauci has corrected it multiple times aft

by nacs 6y ago

What Fauci said that one time was taken out of context by all the anti-mask idiots (and propagated by Trump himself). Fauci has corrected it multiple times after and said that yes you should wear masks. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/outdated-fauci-video-on-face-masks-shared-out-of-context/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/outdated-fauci-video-on-fa... And comparing the CDC to a street drug dealer is beyond asinine.

renewiltord 6y ago
You're right. The drug dealer can only harm his clients. The CDC can (and did) hurt everyone. And just for everyone who didn't read the link: Fauci absolutely did advise "no universal masking". The position was reversed in early April, by which time the damage was done.
vaccinator 6y ago
Here is the whole thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI He says that if there is an outbreak, it might make people feel better to wear a mask... among other incriminating things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssiLlfGT9gg&t=6m22s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssiLlfGT9gg&t=6m22s He also says that he was wrong in saying that masks don't prevent the spreading of the virus
- definetheword 6y ago
  "among other incriminating things" I don't see this is incriminating. Computer security is not perfclty secure, and in the same way masks arent perfect. He took the academic approach of saying they aren't perfect without clarifying that its better than zero masks. Either way, his statements had unintended consequences and was dumb to take the academic approach
  - vaccinator 6y ago
    the parent said: "What Fauci said that one time was taken out of context by all the anti-mask idiots" which it was not.... incriminating in that sense.
winstonewert 6y ago
In what way is that out of context? Out of date, yes, but I don't see its out of context.
- Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
  I think the context is given at the end of the video. I think Fauci was trying to avoid a mask shortage that would have affected healthcare workers who absolutely need the masks. The problem is that he downplayed the masks too much, and now his words are being used against him. EDIT: The video was in another comment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    Taiwanese healthcare workers needed masks too. You know what the government there advised? Everyone should be masked. Taiwan: 609 cases (7 deaths) US: 12 million cases (250k deaths) Their metro stayed open while we're telling people to not go sit in the park. Taiwan was hit earlier, Taiwan is closer and denser, Taiwan has many travelers to and from Mainland China. There was one right answer. None of this "they were trying to avoid" shit. They just solved the problem. This is the sort of thing it's not good enough to try. You have to be good enough to do it. Clearly what we did is we put a bunch of Pee Wee Leaguers in the MLB and we got the socks knocked out of us. The lesson isn't "they tried". The lesson is "next time, get the A players". The one thing that this has taught us is that the Anna Karenina Principle applies pretty well to national organizations. All the guys who did well did it the same way. Everyone who sucked, sucked in their own way.
    - meowfly 6y ago
      I lived in Taiwan and the comparison you are making with masks isn't a very strong one. Wearing masks in Taiwan was normal even before the pandemic. Scooter travel is the most common form of transportation and it's very normal to wear masks to prevent inhaling pollution. You could find masks all over the place. They sell them at convenience stores, stationary stores, in vending machines at the front of hospitals, etc. I agree there are a lot of lessons that can be learned from Taiwan's success but I'm not sure it's fair to compare their mask adherence to other nations that didn't already have that embedded in their daily lives.

by nacs 6y ago

renewiltord 6y ago

You're right. The drug dealer can only harm his clients. The CDC can (and did) hurt everyone. And just for everyone who didn't read the link: Fauci absolutely did advise "no universal masking". The position was reversed in early April, by which time the damage was done.

vaccinator 6y ago

Here is the whole thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI He says that if there is an outbreak, it might make people feel better to wear a mask... among other incriminating things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssiLlfGT9gg&t=6m22s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssiLlfGT9gg&t=6m22s He also says that he was wrong in saying that masks don't prevent the spreading of the virus

definetheword 6y ago
"among other incriminating things" I don't see this is incriminating. Computer security is not perfclty secure, and in the same way masks arent perfect. He took the academic approach of saying they aren't perfect without clarifying that its better than zero masks. Either way, his statements had unintended consequences and was dumb to take the academic approach
- vaccinator 6y ago
  the parent said: "What Fauci said that one time was taken out of context by all the anti-mask idiots" which it was not.... incriminating in that sense.

winstonewert 6y ago

In what way is that out of context? Out of date, yes, but I don't see its out of context.

Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
I think the context is given at the end of the video. I think Fauci was trying to avoid a mask shortage that would have affected healthcare workers who absolutely need the masks. The problem is that he downplayed the masks too much, and now his words are being used against him. EDIT: The video was in another comment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI
- renewiltord 6y ago
  Taiwanese healthcare workers needed masks too. You know what the government there advised? Everyone should be masked. Taiwan: 609 cases (7 deaths) US: 12 million cases (250k deaths) Their metro stayed open while we're telling people to not go sit in the park. Taiwan was hit earlier, Taiwan is closer and denser, Taiwan has many travelers to and from Mainland China. There was one right answer. None of this "they were trying to avoid" shit. They just solved the problem. This is the sort of thing it's not good enough to try. You have to be good enough to do it. Clearly what we did is we put a bunch of Pee Wee Leaguers in the MLB and we got the socks knocked out of us. The lesson isn't "they tried". The lesson is "next time, get the A players". The one thing that this has taught us is that the Anna Karenina Principle applies pretty well to national organizations. All the guys who did well did it the same way. Everyone who sucked, sucked in their own way.
  - meowfly 6y ago
    I lived in Taiwan and the comparison you are making with masks isn't a very strong one. Wearing masks in Taiwan was normal even before the pandemic. Scooter travel is the most common form of transportation and it's very normal to wear masks to prevent inhaling pollution. You could find masks all over the place. They sell them at convenience stores, stationary stores, in vending machines at the front of hospitals, etc. I agree there are a lot of lessons that can be learned from Taiwan's success but I'm not sure it's fair to compare their mask adherence to other nations that didn't already have that embedded in their daily lives.