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_Microft 6y ago
It would not surprise me. Someone on german TV called Trump's behaviour a "retaliation campaign against the country that did not want to elect him again" and it really feels like it. https://www.tagesschau.de/kommentar/trump-letzte-monate-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/kommentar/trump-letzte-monate-101....
- busterarm 6y ago
  Except Trump got record reelection votes. There were slightly more for the other guy. It would be folly to underestimate how much support Trump has in this country. This was no clear win -- we are very much a country divided.
  - NicoJuicy 6y ago
    6-7 million more votes is a clear win. It's also a clearer win than he had vs. Hilary.
    - busterarm 6y ago
      It's not even 6 million, but that's splitting hairs. He got nearly twice as many more people to vote for him the second time as the amount he lost by. It's just funny to see how offended people get when you float the idea that half of their countrymen might disagree with them. And that that half has a meaningful political reality worthy of accounting for. If despite those numbers, you still think we're "unified", you're just burying your head in the sand.
      - NicoJuicy 6y ago
        I'm not from the US and I didn't say the US was unified. I'm saying the US system is a winner takes all system. Biden was a clear win, even if he would have won with only 1 EC vote. He also had the popularity vote.
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  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > This was no clear win Let's see: Biden appears to have won got the highest share of the population (not share of those who actually voted) ever to vote for a Presidential candidate. Biden got a clear popular majority. Biden got a clear electoral majority (the exact same electoral majority the Trump camp declared a landslide in 2016.) How on Earth is that not a clear win? At this point, the “no clear win” argument from Trumpists is the Black Knight in Monty Python’s Search for the Holy Grail saying “All right, we'll call it a draw” after all his limbs have been severed.
    - busterarm 6y ago
      I'm not even a Trump supporter. I'm just saying that it's a mistake to think that America resoundingly rejected Trump. He got roughly 11 million more votes the second time around. That puts him roughly on par with Ronald Reagan as far as popularity the second time around. In terms of raw votes, he's the most popular encumbent we've had period. Biden's win is a pretty narrow percentage -- in the battleground states it came down to less than 1%. This is very much an unsettled political question. If you think that that political movement has buttoned up and moved on, you're nuts. The results of this election are going to be in play in the mid-term elections and the next Presidential. Feel free to downvote the unpopular truth.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > In terms of raw votes, he's the most popular encumbent we've had period. In terms of raw votes, the ninth most popular US Presidential candidate in 2020 (several steps below Kanye West) is more popular than Washington in either election, John Adams, or Jefferson in his first election, and the major party loser of every election 1876 and later was more popular than every President up to, and including, Lincoln. Raw votes are a stupid measure.
      - xtracto 6y ago
        My problem is not with whether Biden won for a little or a lot, he won and that´s all that matters. My problem is that 70+ million Americans (almost 1 in 4) voted for him... somehow thought that despite everything the person has done and said, 1 in 4 people actually think it was not reprehensible enough to not vote for him. I really would have thought that the vote would have been 70% vs 30% or so for Biden but 70 million people! (plus all the ones that cannot/didn't vote but still support him)
  - gibspaulding 6y ago
    Yeah, I was amazed to see Trump actually had a larger percentage of the popular vote in 2020 (47%) than he did in 2016 (46%). https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2016&off=0&elect=0&f=0 https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2016&o... Edit: That's not to say Biden is not the clear victor, only that there are still A LOT of people who support Trump, and even people who didn't vote for him in 2016 who did vote for him this time.
    - busterarm 6y ago
      and a few points shy of 20% more votes than the first time.
    - busterarm 6y ago
      > Edit: That's not to say Biden is not the clear victor, only that there are still A LOT of people who support Trump, and even people who didn't vote for him in 2016 who did vote for him this time. I think people are taking what I'm saying out of context. I'm not saying that Biden didn't win the election. I'm saying that this election isn't where this ends. The fact that other commenters had such a knee jerk reaction (yourself excluded) only proves it.
    - eppsilon 6y ago
      2016 had a few more viable 3rd party candidates that did particularly well in certain areas (like McMullin in Utah)

It would not surprise me. Someone on german TV called Trump's behaviour a "retaliation campaign against the country that did not want to elect him again" and it really feels like it. https://www.tagesschau.de/kommentar/trump-letzte-monate-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/kommentar/trump-letzte-monate-101....

busterarm 6y ago
Except Trump got record reelection votes. There were slightly more for the other guy. It would be folly to underestimate how much support Trump has in this country. This was no clear win -- we are very much a country divided.
- NicoJuicy 6y ago
  6-7 million more votes is a clear win. It's also a clearer win than he had vs. Hilary.
  - busterarm 6y ago
    It's not even 6 million, but that's splitting hairs. He got nearly twice as many more people to vote for him the second time as the amount he lost by. It's just funny to see how offended people get when you float the idea that half of their countrymen might disagree with them. And that that half has a meaningful political reality worthy of accounting for. If despite those numbers, you still think we're "unified", you're just burying your head in the sand.
    - NicoJuicy 6y ago
      I'm not from the US and I didn't say the US was unified. I'm saying the US system is a winner takes all system. Biden was a clear win, even if he would have won with only 1 EC vote. He also had the popularity vote.
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- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > This was no clear win Let's see: Biden appears to have won got the highest share of the population (not share of those who actually voted) ever to vote for a Presidential candidate. Biden got a clear popular majority. Biden got a clear electoral majority (the exact same electoral majority the Trump camp declared a landslide in 2016.) How on Earth is that not a clear win? At this point, the “no clear win” argument from Trumpists is the Black Knight in Monty Python’s Search for the Holy Grail saying “All right, we'll call it a draw” after all his limbs have been severed.
  - busterarm 6y ago
    I'm not even a Trump supporter. I'm just saying that it's a mistake to think that America resoundingly rejected Trump. He got roughly 11 million more votes the second time around. That puts him roughly on par with Ronald Reagan as far as popularity the second time around. In terms of raw votes, he's the most popular encumbent we've had period. Biden's win is a pretty narrow percentage -- in the battleground states it came down to less than 1%. This is very much an unsettled political question. If you think that that political movement has buttoned up and moved on, you're nuts. The results of this election are going to be in play in the mid-term elections and the next Presidential. Feel free to downvote the unpopular truth.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > In terms of raw votes, he's the most popular encumbent we've had period. In terms of raw votes, the ninth most popular US Presidential candidate in 2020 (several steps below Kanye West) is more popular than Washington in either election, John Adams, or Jefferson in his first election, and the major party loser of every election 1876 and later was more popular than every President up to, and including, Lincoln. Raw votes are a stupid measure.
    - xtracto 6y ago
      My problem is not with whether Biden won for a little or a lot, he won and that´s all that matters. My problem is that 70+ million Americans (almost 1 in 4) voted for him... somehow thought that despite everything the person has done and said, 1 in 4 people actually think it was not reprehensible enough to not vote for him. I really would have thought that the vote would have been 70% vs 30% or so for Biden but 70 million people! (plus all the ones that cannot/didn't vote but still support him)
- gibspaulding 6y ago
  Yeah, I was amazed to see Trump actually had a larger percentage of the popular vote in 2020 (47%) than he did in 2016 (46%). https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2016&off=0&elect=0&f=0 https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2016&o... Edit: That's not to say Biden is not the clear victor, only that there are still A LOT of people who support Trump, and even people who didn't vote for him in 2016 who did vote for him this time.
  - busterarm 6y ago
    and a few points shy of 20% more votes than the first time.
  - busterarm 6y ago
    > Edit: That's not to say Biden is not the clear victor, only that there are still A LOT of people who support Trump, and even people who didn't vote for him in 2016 who did vote for him this time. I think people are taking what I'm saying out of context. I'm not saying that Biden didn't win the election. I'm saying that this election isn't where this ends. The fact that other commenters had such a knee jerk reaction (yourself excluded) only proves it.
  - eppsilon 6y ago
    2016 had a few more viable 3rd party candidates that did particularly well in certain areas (like McMullin in Utah)