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I completely disagree. Its my website, my servers, my bandwidth I pay for. Google has zero obligation to dictate how others go about creating their own produc

by ProAm 6y ago

I completely disagree. Its my website, my servers, my bandwidth I pay for. Google has zero obligation to dictate how others go about creating their own product. They can enforce web standards sure, but AMP is horrific, and Im sure they next-gen AMP will also be counter productive to third parties.

shadowgovt 6y ago
By that reasoning: it's their search engine, their crawlers, their business to route people to the websites likeliest to be useful to those users. In that sense, their approach is in some way more equitable than Microsoft's: they're not forcing change upon your system by way of mandatory updates, they're simply saying that if you don't play the same game they play, they're unwilling to do business with you. If you're free to maintain your server to your standards, why should they not be free to maintain their search service to their standards?
- ProAm 6y ago
  Is google search there to provide the most accurate information or the fastest load information regardless of content? "The primary goal of Google is to provide users with the most relevant, highest quality results based on user search queries, i.e. their wants and needs when performing a search online."
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    These are not mutually exclusive. And no, "most accurate" isn't really guaranteed; their goal is basically a closed feedback loop: they have signal on whether people liked the result they yield and that up-signals that result for searches in similar context in the future. Speed is valuable because it allows users to more quickly digest whether the result is relevant to them.
    - ProAm 6y ago
      That is where I also disagree. Giving a higher rank to a AMP page that people like vs an page the is more accurate information seems like an issue to me. People are larger not smart enough to discern an accurate answer (look at how bad society wants to regulate FB, Twitter, etc for posting information that does not pass 'fact checks'). At the end of the day it doesnt matter, these decisions are made by what drives advertising dollars not relevancy or accuracy. Today faster browsing and crawling equates to faster advertisement display.
      - shadowgovt 6y ago
        I don't think a search engine is the tool you seek; you're looking for an expert-opinionated resource for sifting data, not an automated system to retrieve some data on arbitrary topics.

by ProAm 6y ago

shadowgovt 6y ago

By that reasoning: it's their search engine, their crawlers, their business to route people to the websites likeliest to be useful to those users. In that sense, their approach is in some way more equitable than Microsoft's: they're not forcing change upon your system by way of mandatory updates, they're simply saying that if you don't play the same game they play, they're unwilling to do business with you. If you're free to maintain your server to your standards, why should they not be free to maintain their search service to their standards?

ProAm 6y ago
Is google search there to provide the most accurate information or the fastest load information regardless of content? "The primary goal of Google is to provide users with the most relevant, highest quality results based on user search queries, i.e. their wants and needs when performing a search online."
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  These are not mutually exclusive. And no, "most accurate" isn't really guaranteed; their goal is basically a closed feedback loop: they have signal on whether people liked the result they yield and that up-signals that result for searches in similar context in the future. Speed is valuable because it allows users to more quickly digest whether the result is relevant to them.
  - ProAm 6y ago
    That is where I also disagree. Giving a higher rank to a AMP page that people like vs an page the is more accurate information seems like an issue to me. People are larger not smart enough to discern an accurate answer (look at how bad society wants to regulate FB, Twitter, etc for posting information that does not pass 'fact checks'). At the end of the day it doesnt matter, these decisions are made by what drives advertising dollars not relevancy or accuracy. Today faster browsing and crawling equates to faster advertisement display.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      I don't think a search engine is the tool you seek; you're looking for an expert-opinionated resource for sifting data, not an automated system to retrieve some data on arbitrary topics.