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We really don't need a special day...

by burnthrow 6y ago

pixxel 6y ago
Why do you say that?
- burnthrow 6y ago
  Because it's spiking the football.
binarycodedhex 6y ago
I agree in general. Special days for a group seems like a subtle dig rather than genuine gratitude. Plus, aren't there underdog groups like homeless, speech disfluent, ADD, sex workers, struggling immigrants, seriously depressed, bipolar, schizophrenics, absolutely banished sex offenders who can't get housing or work, and dyslexics who need more awareness?
- therm0 6y ago
  There are plenty of problems that are unique to men, whether that fits your narrative or not. Vastly higher suicide rates, vastly higher workplace deaths, widespread infant male genital mutilation even in developed countries, selective service, court bias (criminal, divorce, and custody), lower life expectancy, vastly higher war casualty rates. Is it really that upsetting to you for these issues to take the spotlight in the context of masculinity for one day a year? By the way, most of those groups you listed already have awareness days.
  - happytoexplain 6y ago
    >whether that fits your narrative or not. Why are you immediately lowering the bar of the conversation to petty insults?
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    - therm0 6y ago
      Because the bar was already lowered. Hiding disingenuity behind civility doesn't make it any less petty.
hnlurker 6y ago
I look forward to seeing your past or future statements regarding the same issue but for women, e.g. Women's Day, Mother's Day, Equal Pay Day, and myriad others. Informed people with critical thinking skills generally don't care that men fare so much worse in health outcomes, education outcomes, criminal justice outcomes, or even genetic disorders.. because most issues in that list are the result of free choices made by individuals. Unfortunately, we don't live in a society filled with either informed or critical thinkers. We live in a society ruled by the mob, a mob that will mobilize and torch institutions that yield a result deemed to be inequitable (as long as it's not against whiteness or maleness)--nevermind how it came to be. It's all too common to hear otherwise smart people talk stupidly about issues like employment earnings or congressional representation when broken down via a single variable: sex. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
- happytoexplain 6y ago
  >I look forward to seeing your past or future statements regarding the same issue but for women, e.g. Women's Day, Mother's Day, Equal Pay Day, and myriad others. You're making an implication without saying it for some reason, so excuse me if I'm misinterpreting, but it wouldn't be hypocritical to think a "day" is more appropriate for one group and less appropriate for another, regardless of the metric used for definition. Men and women are different. Everybody is different. That said, I have no problem with the concept of a men's day.
- vayeate 6y ago
  I think part of the issue is that all the things that men fare worse in that you listed out are the results of a society that is controlled by men. Men are doing this to themselves. The problem for women is that the negative societal aspects of their lives are not controlled by women - it's still largely controlled by men. Same for people of color in the US - their lives are largely controlled by white people (and specifically white men). I think even for the wildest of misogynists out there (I am in no way implying this is you or anyone on HN) it's hard to argue that the world would not be drastically different if it was mostly controlled by women.

We really don't need a special day...

pixxel 6y ago

Why do you say that?

burnthrow 6y ago
Because it's spiking the football.

binarycodedhex 6y ago

I agree in general. Special days for a group seems like a subtle dig rather than genuine gratitude. Plus, aren't there underdog groups like homeless, speech disfluent, ADD, sex workers, struggling immigrants, seriously depressed, bipolar, schizophrenics, absolutely banished sex offenders who can't get housing or work, and dyslexics who need more awareness?

therm0 6y ago
There are plenty of problems that are unique to men, whether that fits your narrative or not. Vastly higher suicide rates, vastly higher workplace deaths, widespread infant male genital mutilation even in developed countries, selective service, court bias (criminal, divorce, and custody), lower life expectancy, vastly higher war casualty rates. Is it really that upsetting to you for these issues to take the spotlight in the context of masculinity for one day a year? By the way, most of those groups you listed already have awareness days.
- happytoexplain 6y ago
  >whether that fits your narrative or not. Why are you immediately lowering the bar of the conversation to petty insults?
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - therm0 6y ago
    Because the bar was already lowered. Hiding disingenuity behind civility doesn't make it any less petty.

hnlurker 6y ago

I look forward to seeing your past or future statements regarding the same issue but for women, e.g. Women's Day, Mother's Day, Equal Pay Day, and myriad others. Informed people with critical thinking skills generally don't care that men fare so much worse in health outcomes, education outcomes, criminal justice outcomes, or even genetic disorders.. because most issues in that list are the result of free choices made by individuals. Unfortunately, we don't live in a society filled with either informed or critical thinkers. We live in a society ruled by the mob, a mob that will mobilize and torch institutions that yield a result deemed to be inequitable (as long as it's not against whiteness or maleness)--nevermind how it came to be. It's all too common to hear otherwise smart people talk stupidly about issues like employment earnings or congressional representation when broken down via a single variable: sex. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

happytoexplain 6y ago
>I look forward to seeing your past or future statements regarding the same issue but for women, e.g. Women's Day, Mother's Day, Equal Pay Day, and myriad others. You're making an implication without saying it for some reason, so excuse me if I'm misinterpreting, but it wouldn't be hypocritical to think a "day" is more appropriate for one group and less appropriate for another, regardless of the metric used for definition. Men and women are different. Everybody is different. That said, I have no problem with the concept of a men's day.
vayeate 6y ago
I think part of the issue is that all the things that men fare worse in that you listed out are the results of a society that is controlled by men. Men are doing this to themselves. The problem for women is that the negative societal aspects of their lives are not controlled by women - it's still largely controlled by men. Same for people of color in the US - their lives are largely controlled by white people (and specifically white men). I think even for the wildest of misogynists out there (I am in no way implying this is you or anyone on HN) it's hard to argue that the world would not be drastically different if it was mostly controlled by women.