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> I just hope they someday put in a good GPU. Something comparable to an Nvidia 3060 would be great. The GPU in the M1 is perfectly good for the power targets

> I just hope they someday put in a good GPU. Something comparable to an Nvidia 3060 would be great. The GPU in the M1 is perfectly good for the power targets it's trying to hit. Either fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your perspective, Apple is unlikely to be able to do with the GPU what they did with the CPU. That is, there's no legacy in either Nvidia nor AMD's GPUs that Apple can cut out to get wins. And similarly, neither Nvidia nor AMD slowed down their progress or is suffering from fab issues like Intel did & is on the CPU side of things. I don't doubt Apple can hit an RTX 3060 level of performance, but they'll get there with roughly similar to RTX 3060 level of power draw. Which means it ain't fitting in a MacBook Air or MBP 13", either. And judging by the existing MBP 16" cooling solution, not really going to go well in that chassis.

forrestthewoods 6y ago
I’m a game developer. I want macOS to not suck for games. Apple and Nvidia have never gotten along for a variety of reasons. Apple will probably continue to offer shitty GPUs in their MacBooks. That’s fine and maybe even a smart business choice. But it means mac continues to suck for games. Which is unfortunate imho. I think we can all agree it would be very interesting to see how much GPU power they can stuff in an iMac Pro and desktop class Mac Pro. If it doesn’t make business sense then so be it. Realistically I’m hoping in 5 years that Nvidia releases a high-end integrated SoC. Tegra on Switch is fine. Keep it going.
- inDigiNeous 6y ago
  Well Apple has never really tried to target the Mac as a gaming platform, except maybe back in the G4/G5 days they had some effort, marketing Doom 3 running on the new G4. Can't remember any other times they have really talked about gaming performance. Gaming is mostly DirectX anyway or consoles with their custom APIs.
Joeri 6y ago
What gpu offers the same power efficiency as the one in the m1? Apple is matching the 75w 1050ti with less than 5w of power. The 3060ti is a 200w gpu, which is 40x the power draw of the gpu in the m1, but it is only 5x the performance. Gpu’s might not scale linearly, but it may very well be the case that apple will blow us away when they ship their high end gpu’s.
- kllrnohj 6y ago
  > Apple is matching the 75w 1050ti with less than 5w of power. Who gives a shit about the desktop 1050 Ti here? The M1 comes close but can't match a 1650 Mobile, and the 1650 mobile is both faster than a 1050 Ti and uses less power. Almost like the 1050 Ti was never the pinnacle of anything but being cheap? Then again, the 1050 Ti doesn't use 75w, either ( https://www.techpowerup.com/review/palit-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-kalmx/28.html https://www.techpowerup.com/review/palit-geforce-gtx-1050-ti... ), just like the M1's isn't "less than 5W" ( https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... - more like ~10-15w for just the GPU) The M1's good enough it doesn't need nonsensical comparisons with fake numbers to exaggerate things further. Let it be what it is, which is a good integrated GPU not that dissimilar to other recent integrated GPUs EDIT: Although if you do care about power efficiency, sites like techpowerup have you covered: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/36.html https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/36.... performance / watt graphs.
- forrestthewoods 6y ago
  I can’t wait to see Apple’s high-end GPU configurations. In either laptop or desktop form factor. Efficiency is cool. (heh) But if I need X then a highly efficient X/5 still doesn’t deliver X. I doubt Apple will ever sacrifice their overly thin MacBook ergonomics for power. But I’m hoping they max out their desktop form factor.

forrestthewoods 6y ago

I’m a game developer. I want macOS to not suck for games. Apple and Nvidia have never gotten along for a variety of reasons. Apple will probably continue to offer shitty GPUs in their MacBooks. That’s fine and maybe even a smart business choice. But it means mac continues to suck for games. Which is unfortunate imho. I think we can all agree it would be very interesting to see how much GPU power they can stuff in an iMac Pro and desktop class Mac Pro. If it doesn’t make business sense then so be it. Realistically I’m hoping in 5 years that Nvidia releases a high-end integrated SoC. Tegra on Switch is fine. Keep it going.

inDigiNeous 6y ago
Well Apple has never really tried to target the Mac as a gaming platform, except maybe back in the G4/G5 days they had some effort, marketing Doom 3 running on the new G4. Can't remember any other times they have really talked about gaming performance. Gaming is mostly DirectX anyway or consoles with their custom APIs.

Joeri 6y ago

What gpu offers the same power efficiency as the one in the m1? Apple is matching the 75w 1050ti with less than 5w of power. The 3060ti is a 200w gpu, which is 40x the power draw of the gpu in the m1, but it is only 5x the performance. Gpu’s might not scale linearly, but it may very well be the case that apple will blow us away when they ship their high end gpu’s.

kllrnohj 6y ago
> Apple is matching the 75w 1050ti with less than 5w of power. Who gives a shit about the desktop 1050 Ti here? The M1 comes close but can't match a 1650 Mobile, and the 1650 mobile is both faster than a 1050 Ti and uses less power. Almost like the 1050 Ti was never the pinnacle of anything but being cheap? Then again, the 1050 Ti doesn't use 75w, either ( https://www.techpowerup.com/review/palit-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-kalmx/28.html https://www.techpowerup.com/review/palit-geforce-gtx-1050-ti... ), just like the M1's isn't "less than 5W" ( https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... - more like ~10-15w for just the GPU) The M1's good enough it doesn't need nonsensical comparisons with fake numbers to exaggerate things further. Let it be what it is, which is a good integrated GPU not that dissimilar to other recent integrated GPUs EDIT: Although if you do care about power efficiency, sites like techpowerup have you covered: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/36.html https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/36.... performance / watt graphs.
forrestthewoods 6y ago
I can’t wait to see Apple’s high-end GPU configurations. In either laptop or desktop form factor. Efficiency is cool. (heh) But if I need X then a highly efficient X/5 still doesn’t deliver X. I doubt Apple will ever sacrifice their overly thin MacBook ergonomics for power. But I’m hoping they max out their desktop form factor.