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I'm the same as you regarding reduced viewing time recently... unless I'm extremely motivated, I kill the tab as soon as the ad starts. It's the same with site

I'm the same as you regarding reduced viewing time recently... unless I'm extremely motivated, I kill the tab as soon as the ad starts. It's the same with sites that require javascript to view: I'm sure the content might be good if I whitelisted it - but most the time it's my cue to realize I'm procrastinating and should get back to creating rather than consuming!

helmholtz 6y ago
It heartens me to know that this sentiment is spreading. I have some black and white rules set up for myself. The day Whatsapp stops encrypting chats is the day I jump ship. The day Youtube blocks access to those using uBlock, I'll stop going to Youtube. The day old.reddit.com and i.reddit.com stop working, sayonara Reddit. I've come to realise that a) I just don't derive TOO much value from any of these websites/services, and b) I don't mind paying for value added. I'd be happy to pay for Youtube. But not 15 dollars a _month_! Youtube is an amateur platform. Charge me maybe 3 dollars a month. 5 if I'm feeling generous. But not 15. And certainly not when it's bundled with Google tracking the living bejeesus out of me.
- callesgg 6y ago
  15 is way to much.
- sosuke 6y ago
  I wonder how much each a YouTube user is worth? My guess is pennies. Seems like $3 would be good.
  - 6510 6y ago
    And what would a new user be worth to them? I think the value is in THE MONOPOLY?
- QuadrupleA 6y ago
  Signal (https://signal.org https://signal.org) is an awesome WhatsApp replacement BTW - end to end encrypted, open source, and run by a nonprofit.
  - helmholtz 6y ago
    Yup. Already using it with anyone who will bother with it. I deleted Facebook way back when, on the basis that anyone who couldn't be bothered to find me via another route probably didn't care that much for me to begin with. Will happily apply the same principle for Whatsapp. Parents etc. can just call me the old-fashioned way :)
- anoonmoose 6y ago
  In my opinion YouTube Music is more than good enough to be compared to Spotify and the other music streaming services, and paying for YouTube Music gets you YouTube Premium (no ads). I've always preferred Google Play Music/YouTube Music to Spotify so I'd be paying for it anyways but getting adless YouTube along with it makes it a great value, for me. I also don't know if I particularly agree with your characterization of YouTube as an amateur outlet nowadays, since there's just SO MUCH MONEY in some of the channels.
  - mohamez 6y ago
    >I also don't know if I particularly agree with your characterization of YouTube as an amateur outlet nowadays Yes, YouTube is an amateur outlet for sure, at least the majority of it, just see how many worthless information and popular advices there is in the platform.
- mdpm 6y ago
  WhatsApp encrypts your chats, but if that key is 'backed up' for you to anywhere, it's still game over. There's also the fact that they were clearly worth billions to Facebook, and yet had no meaningful monetization play.

helmholtz 6y ago

It heartens me to know that this sentiment is spreading. I have some black and white rules set up for myself. The day Whatsapp stops encrypting chats is the day I jump ship. The day Youtube blocks access to those using uBlock, I'll stop going to Youtube. The day old.reddit.com and i.reddit.com stop working, sayonara Reddit. I've come to realise that a) I just don't derive TOO much value from any of these websites/services, and b) I don't mind paying for value added. I'd be happy to pay for Youtube. But not 15 dollars a _month_! Youtube is an amateur platform. Charge me maybe 3 dollars a month. 5 if I'm feeling generous. But not 15. And certainly not when it's bundled with Google tracking the living bejeesus out of me.

callesgg 6y ago
15 is way to much.
sosuke 6y ago
I wonder how much each a YouTube user is worth? My guess is pennies. Seems like $3 would be good.
- 6510 6y ago
  And what would a new user be worth to them? I think the value is in THE MONOPOLY?
QuadrupleA 6y ago
Signal (https://signal.org https://signal.org) is an awesome WhatsApp replacement BTW - end to end encrypted, open source, and run by a nonprofit.
- helmholtz 6y ago
  Yup. Already using it with anyone who will bother with it. I deleted Facebook way back when, on the basis that anyone who couldn't be bothered to find me via another route probably didn't care that much for me to begin with. Will happily apply the same principle for Whatsapp. Parents etc. can just call me the old-fashioned way :)
anoonmoose 6y ago
In my opinion YouTube Music is more than good enough to be compared to Spotify and the other music streaming services, and paying for YouTube Music gets you YouTube Premium (no ads). I've always preferred Google Play Music/YouTube Music to Spotify so I'd be paying for it anyways but getting adless YouTube along with it makes it a great value, for me. I also don't know if I particularly agree with your characterization of YouTube as an amateur outlet nowadays, since there's just SO MUCH MONEY in some of the channels.
- mohamez 6y ago
  >I also don't know if I particularly agree with your characterization of YouTube as an amateur outlet nowadays Yes, YouTube is an amateur outlet for sure, at least the majority of it, just see how many worthless information and popular advices there is in the platform.
mdpm 6y ago
WhatsApp encrypts your chats, but if that key is 'backed up' for you to anywhere, it's still game over. There's also the fact that they were clearly worth billions to Facebook, and yet had no meaningful monetization play.