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For those out of the loop - Samuel Paty was a middle-school teacher in France who was murdered in the October 16 terror attack in France. More information http

For those out of the loop - Samuel Paty was a middle-school teacher in France who was murdered in the October 16 terror attack in France. More information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Samuel_Paty

r_police 6y ago
Murdered? Pacified is the word you are looking for.
harperlee 6y ago
He was targeted, and beheaded, for showing Mohammed drawings on class (above it sounds like “a victim”, not the victim).
- willis936 6y ago
  By what metric was Samuel not the victim? Is it against the law in France to share offensive religious imagery? Is the legal punishment beheading by vigilante?
  - fireattack 6y ago
    I think you misunderstood what you replied to, in at least two ways.
  - gallexme 6y ago
    He wasn't a victim, he was The victim, that's what the commentor above tried to say, he was specifically targeted
    - vbezhenar 6y ago
      English articles "a" and "the" are weird. I'll never understand them.
      - contradictioned 6y ago
        In this case, "a" could also mean that there were multiple victims, and he was one of them.
      - __s 6y ago
        one of many, one of one If I say "pass me a glass" I don't care which glass you pass me, whereas if I say "the glass" it's implied context has a specificity so that there is a specific glass I'm requesting
      - classified 6y ago
        Think of them as separating the general from the specific. "a" refers to one of many, "the" refers to the (only) one.
      - jfacoustic 6y ago
        Specificity. "The" implies one specific subject. "A" implies that there are multiple instances of the subject, and in many cases such subjects are used to categorize things. "The dog is a golden retriever." --. "The dog" is the specific dog being mentioned, and "a golden retriever" is its category. "He was the victim" implies he was the only victim. "He was a victim" implies that there were other victims. What's your first language? All of the european languages that I've studied have this feature.
        jagrsw 6y ago
        Slavic languages (and maybe baltic) don't have them (probably also ugro-finnic ones), not sure about e.g. basque or hellenic ones. Balto-Slavic comes from proto-indo-european and we have similar words (here in English / German / Polish) 'the' -> 'die' -> 'ten' (this) 'a/one' -> 'ein' -> 'jeden/jakiś' (one/one of many) which come from the same PIE roots, but we don't use them as often. We generally understand from context whether we're talking about something specific or general. And only use those helpers when we need clarification. There are also other ways to differentiate. For example speaking in singular (cat/kot) may mean 'a specific cat', but saying 'cats/koty' may mean 'a cat/cats'. In other words, using 'the/a' is in majority of cases unnecessary from our point of view, because if we're talking about 'our cat' for an hour, we don't need to stress that it's 'the cat' that I meant when I said 'cat', or when we say 'Please feed cat' and we have a cat, it's way more likely that it's about our cat than some random cat on the street. And this creates enormous problems for us when learning English or German (not sure about romance languages). We often ask ourselves, if we know whether we're talking about something specific or in general should we always use 'a/the -> ein/die'. And the answer is 'pretty much'. Unless you don't use it :) 'Love is a powerful emotion', and not 'A/The love is a powerful emotion', and even more elusive cases where those articles are not used.
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- acqq 6y ago
  For a broader context, 16 years earlier something very similar happened in the Netherlands: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Theo_van_Gogh https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Theo_van_... “The murderer Mohammed Bouyeri, an Islamic extremist, killed van Gogh. The reason for murdering Gogh was to oppose the controversial film which criticised Islam: “Submission”. Bouyeri shot and stabbed van Gogh, then cut his throat. Finally the killer attached a 5 letter page to van Gogh's chest with a knife.“ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4716909.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4716909.stm “Bouyeri had told the court he had acted out of religious conviction. Clutching a copy of the Koran, he said that "the law compels me to chop off the head of anyone who insults Allah and the prophet"” What was in the letter: it “threatened Somali-born Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She had written the script for Van Gogh's controversial film Submission, which criticised the treatment of women under Islam.” (Completely unrelated to that event, the killed artist’s great-great uncle was Vincent van Gogh.)
  - bhaskara2 6y ago
    Wow that was unexpected. I wonder how many such stories don’t come to light
    - moron4hire 6y ago
      I'm not sure what you mean. This was headline news even in the US when it happened.
      - acqq 6y ago
        Maybe more context can explain the "unexpectedness": from the New York Times article covering the event in 2004: "Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende called for calm and asked people to let investigators do their job before jumping to conclusions. "Nothing is known about the motive," he said in written statement." https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/world/europe/dutch-filmmaker-an-islam-critic-is-killed.html https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/world/europe/dutch-filmma... And even more context, the transcript of a 2005 speech by George W. Bush, mentioning that event: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/administration/bushtext_100605.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/administratio... "In a courtroom in the Netherlands, the killer of Theo Van Gogh turned to the victim's grieving mother and said, "I do not feel your pain because I believe you are an infidel." And in spite of this veneer of religious rhetoric, most of the victims claimed by the militants are fellow Muslims. BUSH: When 25 Iraqi children are killed in a bombing or Iraqi teachers are executed at their school or hospital workers are killed caring for the wounded, this is murder, pure and simple; the total rejection of justice and honor and moral and religion. These militants are not just the enemies of America or the enemies of Iraq, they are the enemies of Islam and the enemies of humanity. (APPLAUSE)"
ekianjo 6y ago
Murdered is a light way of putting it.

r_police 6y ago

Murdered? Pacified is the word you are looking for.

harperlee 6y ago

He was targeted, and beheaded, for showing Mohammed drawings on class (above it sounds like “a victim”, not the victim).

willis936 6y ago
By what metric was Samuel not the victim? Is it against the law in France to share offensive religious imagery? Is the legal punishment beheading by vigilante?
- fireattack 6y ago
  I think you misunderstood what you replied to, in at least two ways.
- gallexme 6y ago
  He wasn't a victim, he was The victim, that's what the commentor above tried to say, he was specifically targeted
  - vbezhenar 6y ago
    English articles "a" and "the" are weird. I'll never understand them.
    - contradictioned 6y ago
      In this case, "a" could also mean that there were multiple victims, and he was one of them.
    - __s 6y ago
      one of many, one of one If I say "pass me a glass" I don't care which glass you pass me, whereas if I say "the glass" it's implied context has a specificity so that there is a specific glass I'm requesting
    - classified 6y ago
      Think of them as separating the general from the specific. "a" refers to one of many, "the" refers to the (only) one.
    - jfacoustic 6y ago
      Specificity. "The" implies one specific subject. "A" implies that there are multiple instances of the subject, and in many cases such subjects are used to categorize things. "The dog is a golden retriever." --. "The dog" is the specific dog being mentioned, and "a golden retriever" is its category. "He was the victim" implies he was the only victim. "He was a victim" implies that there were other victims. What's your first language? All of the european languages that I've studied have this feature.
      - jagrsw 6y ago
        Slavic languages (and maybe baltic) don't have them (probably also ugro-finnic ones), not sure about e.g. basque or hellenic ones. Balto-Slavic comes from proto-indo-european and we have similar words (here in English / German / Polish) 'the' -> 'die' -> 'ten' (this) 'a/one' -> 'ein' -> 'jeden/jakiś' (one/one of many) which come from the same PIE roots, but we don't use them as often. We generally understand from context whether we're talking about something specific or general. And only use those helpers when we need clarification. There are also other ways to differentiate. For example speaking in singular (cat/kot) may mean 'a specific cat', but saying 'cats/koty' may mean 'a cat/cats'. In other words, using 'the/a' is in majority of cases unnecessary from our point of view, because if we're talking about 'our cat' for an hour, we don't need to stress that it's 'the cat' that I meant when I said 'cat', or when we say 'Please feed cat' and we have a cat, it's way more likely that it's about our cat than some random cat on the street. And this creates enormous problems for us when learning English or German (not sure about romance languages). We often ask ourselves, if we know whether we're talking about something specific or in general should we always use 'a/the -> ein/die'. And the answer is 'pretty much'. Unless you don't use it :) 'Love is a powerful emotion', and not 'A/The love is a powerful emotion', and even more elusive cases where those articles are not used.
- deleted 6y ago
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acqq 6y ago
For a broader context, 16 years earlier something very similar happened in the Netherlands: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Theo_van_Gogh https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Theo_van_... “The murderer Mohammed Bouyeri, an Islamic extremist, killed van Gogh. The reason for murdering Gogh was to oppose the controversial film which criticised Islam: “Submission”. Bouyeri shot and stabbed van Gogh, then cut his throat. Finally the killer attached a 5 letter page to van Gogh's chest with a knife.“ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4716909.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4716909.stm “Bouyeri had told the court he had acted out of religious conviction. Clutching a copy of the Koran, he said that "the law compels me to chop off the head of anyone who insults Allah and the prophet"” What was in the letter: it “threatened Somali-born Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She had written the script for Van Gogh's controversial film Submission, which criticised the treatment of women under Islam.” (Completely unrelated to that event, the killed artist’s great-great uncle was Vincent van Gogh.)
- bhaskara2 6y ago
  Wow that was unexpected. I wonder how many such stories don’t come to light
  - moron4hire 6y ago
    I'm not sure what you mean. This was headline news even in the US when it happened.
    - acqq 6y ago
      Maybe more context can explain the "unexpectedness": from the New York Times article covering the event in 2004: "Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende called for calm and asked people to let investigators do their job before jumping to conclusions. "Nothing is known about the motive," he said in written statement." https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/world/europe/dutch-filmmaker-an-islam-critic-is-killed.html https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/world/europe/dutch-filmma... And even more context, the transcript of a 2005 speech by George W. Bush, mentioning that event: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/administration/bushtext_100605.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/administratio... "In a courtroom in the Netherlands, the killer of Theo Van Gogh turned to the victim's grieving mother and said, "I do not feel your pain because I believe you are an infidel." And in spite of this veneer of religious rhetoric, most of the victims claimed by the militants are fellow Muslims. BUSH: When 25 Iraqi children are killed in a bombing or Iraqi teachers are executed at their school or hospital workers are killed caring for the wounded, this is murder, pure and simple; the total rejection of justice and honor and moral and religion. These militants are not just the enemies of America or the enemies of Iraq, they are the enemies of Islam and the enemies of humanity. (APPLAUSE)"

ekianjo 6y ago

Murdered is a light way of putting it.