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I guess this is done through the traffic costs? 1TB included, each additional $5/TB which is probably higher than the "real" cost of the traffic.

by dewey 6y ago

diggan 6y ago
> probably higher than the "real" cost of the traffic Hopefully the project is setup in a way so it avoids the scam AWS et al does with charging for "premium" bandwidth, meaning the cost of the bandwidth should either be a static sum each month, way cheaper or free.
- dewey 6y ago
  "Free" or "Unlimited" bandwidth always feels worse to me than charging the appropriate amount as you know there's a limit somewhere. No such thing as unlimited bandwidth.
  - diggan 6y ago
    I agree with charging the "appropriate amount", but that's not what AWS and the other hosting providers are offering though. They are offering you a price that is vastly different than what it actually costs. Instead hosts like Hetzner and OVH uses a price closer to the true cost for bandwidth for their users. Take a look at their dedicated hosting and the pricing. I'm not sponsored by either, but I am a happy user of Hetzner. Check out this talk by Kyle Drake that goes more into the details of bandwidth costs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i6wvix6buI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i6wvix6buI
    - dewey 6y ago
      Agreed on the bandwidth costs from GCP/AWS. I’m a happy customer of OVH for a decade already and their pricing seems closer to reality.
  - progval 6y ago
    I've been renting servers at Scaleway Dedibox (formerly Online.net) for years, with free unlimited bandwidth. I can be pretty bandwidth-intensive for a few weeks at a time (eg. rebalancing a storage cluster) and never had any trouble.
    - dewey 6y ago
      I’m more thinking about /r/datahorders-like behavior, going over the limit for a few weeks is probably not going to bother anyone.
  - naniwaduni 6y ago
    Paying for "unlimited" data transfer no real detail on the bandwidth is pretty bad. Unmetered bandwidth is reasonably real.
JosephRedfern 6y ago
I'd guess that OP is willing to be transparent about this, given their philosophy of "Potential customers should not need to grovel to discover the pricing model." (https://radious.co/philosophy.txt https://radious.co/philosophy.txt)
- oarsinsync 6y ago
  No association with this project at all, but "discover the pricing model" is information a customer needs to know in order to make a purchasing decision. "be transparent [about costs and profit margins]" isn't a necessary factor. It's useful information for the customer, and even more useful for the competitors of the business, but absolutely not the same thing.
  - anderspitman 6y ago
    > "discover the pricing model" is information a customer needs to know in order to make a purchasing decision Tell that to AWS

I guess this is done through the traffic costs? 1TB included, each additional $5/TB which is probably higher than the "real" cost of the traffic.

by dewey 6y ago

I guess this is done through the traffic costs? 1TB included, each additional $5/TB which is probably higher than the "real" cost of the traffic.

diggan 6y ago

> probably higher than the "real" cost of the traffic Hopefully the project is setup in a way so it avoids the scam AWS et al does with charging for "premium" bandwidth, meaning the cost of the bandwidth should either be a static sum each month, way cheaper or free.

dewey 6y ago
"Free" or "Unlimited" bandwidth always feels worse to me than charging the appropriate amount as you know there's a limit somewhere. No such thing as unlimited bandwidth.
- diggan 6y ago
  I agree with charging the "appropriate amount", but that's not what AWS and the other hosting providers are offering though. They are offering you a price that is vastly different than what it actually costs. Instead hosts like Hetzner and OVH uses a price closer to the true cost for bandwidth for their users. Take a look at their dedicated hosting and the pricing. I'm not sponsored by either, but I am a happy user of Hetzner. Check out this talk by Kyle Drake that goes more into the details of bandwidth costs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i6wvix6buI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i6wvix6buI
  - dewey 6y ago
    Agreed on the bandwidth costs from GCP/AWS. I’m a happy customer of OVH for a decade already and their pricing seems closer to reality.
- progval 6y ago
  I've been renting servers at Scaleway Dedibox (formerly Online.net) for years, with free unlimited bandwidth. I can be pretty bandwidth-intensive for a few weeks at a time (eg. rebalancing a storage cluster) and never had any trouble.
  - dewey 6y ago
    I’m more thinking about /r/datahorders-like behavior, going over the limit for a few weeks is probably not going to bother anyone.
- naniwaduni 6y ago
  Paying for "unlimited" data transfer no real detail on the bandwidth is pretty bad. Unmetered bandwidth is reasonably real.

JosephRedfern 6y ago

I'd guess that OP is willing to be transparent about this, given their philosophy of "Potential customers should not need to grovel to discover the pricing model." (https://radious.co/philosophy.txt https://radious.co/philosophy.txt)

oarsinsync 6y ago
No association with this project at all, but "discover the pricing model" is information a customer needs to know in order to make a purchasing decision. "be transparent [about costs and profit margins]" isn't a necessary factor. It's useful information for the customer, and even more useful for the competitors of the business, but absolutely not the same thing.
- anderspitman 6y ago
  > "discover the pricing model" is information a customer needs to know in order to make a purchasing decision Tell that to AWS