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>> Russia is not USSR But it wants the Soviet Union back. >> and is not a threat to anyone Ukraine would not agree with that. Russia took Crimea and is supp

>> Russia is not USSR But it wants the Soviet Union back. >> and is not a threat to anyone Ukraine would not agree with that. Russia took Crimea and is supporting a civil war in eastern Ukraine. This may not be much for you but >> except immediate neighbors Yeah except the immediate neighbours and then the neighbours of the neighbours. Think of the Soviet Union era... Speaking of neighbours Denmark, Sweden, Lithuania and few others are pretty close to Russia. I guess they are on your list of doomed neighbours anyway.

koheripbal 6y ago
This is an important thing to note about Europe - they don't really care about the security of other European nations. There's no sense of unity. If there were, they would collectively take a much much harder stance with Russia. This is why Eastern Europe is so much more pro-USA than Western Europe.
- themihai 6y ago
  yeah it's still everyone for themselves. "Take back control" and "sovereignty" seems to win the more points than "solidarity" or "unity" in the political discourse of many EU countries.
coldtea 6y ago
>Ukraine would not agree with that. Russia took Crimea and is supporting a civil war in eastern Ukraine. This may not be much for you but Crimea was part of Russia for centuries, it has 60%+ citizens of Russian ethnicity, and it had its government toppled and neo-nazis and nationalists come to power in a NATO proxy power play. It would be like Mexico having an area (say Baja California) with 60% WASP Americans, that has been historically part of the US, and having Mexico's government toppled with the help of a foreign superpower and used against the US. Would the US annex Baja California then? Then again, the US have already annexed Texas, Florida, California, New Mexico, Arizona, etc, from Mexico, so there's that...
- rini17 6y ago
  Outside of sources paid by Kremlin there is no serious confirmation that NATO was somehow involved in toppling Ukraine's govt. There is plainly no united fruit scenario, only a general distaste of russian government, same as elsewhere in eastern europe. Of course, the US government supports affiliated NGOs as it does elsewhere in the world (and as everyone does), but "power play" means something else.
  - vasac 6y ago
    Yeah, NGOs supported* by US government - doublespeak at its best :) *supported as in created, instructed and financed.
    - rini17 6y ago
      How doublespeak? That's exactly what support means. There are russian- and chinese- supported organizations and "institutes" everywhere, too. And always were. As long as they aren't doing crime, armed insurrections and shooting down civilian aircrafts by mistake, it's fine by me. If NATO is doing any of that, please provide evidence.

koheripbal 6y ago

This is an important thing to note about Europe - they don't really care about the security of other European nations. There's no sense of unity. If there were, they would collectively take a much much harder stance with Russia. This is why Eastern Europe is so much more pro-USA than Western Europe.

themihai 6y ago
yeah it's still everyone for themselves. "Take back control" and "sovereignty" seems to win the more points than "solidarity" or "unity" in the political discourse of many EU countries.

coldtea 6y ago

>Ukraine would not agree with that. Russia took Crimea and is supporting a civil war in eastern Ukraine. This may not be much for you but Crimea was part of Russia for centuries, it has 60%+ citizens of Russian ethnicity, and it had its government toppled and neo-nazis and nationalists come to power in a NATO proxy power play. It would be like Mexico having an area (say Baja California) with 60% WASP Americans, that has been historically part of the US, and having Mexico's government toppled with the help of a foreign superpower and used against the US. Would the US annex Baja California then? Then again, the US have already annexed Texas, Florida, California, New Mexico, Arizona, etc, from Mexico, so there's that...

rini17 6y ago
Outside of sources paid by Kremlin there is no serious confirmation that NATO was somehow involved in toppling Ukraine's govt. There is plainly no united fruit scenario, only a general distaste of russian government, same as elsewhere in eastern europe. Of course, the US government supports affiliated NGOs as it does elsewhere in the world (and as everyone does), but "power play" means something else.
- vasac 6y ago
  Yeah, NGOs supported* by US government - doublespeak at its best :) *supported as in created, instructed and financed.
  - rini17 6y ago
    How doublespeak? That's exactly what support means. There are russian- and chinese- supported organizations and "institutes" everywhere, too. And always were. As long as they aren't doing crime, armed insurrections and shooting down civilian aircrafts by mistake, it's fine by me. If NATO is doing any of that, please provide evidence.