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>A big German army isn't the thing anyone in 2020 worries anymore. A really? https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article210474071/Waffen-Sprengstoff-und-N

by nix23 6y ago

>A big German army isn't the thing anyone in 2020 worries anymore. A really? https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article210474071/Waffen-Sprengstoff-und-Nazi-Literatur-bei-KSK-Soldat-in-Sachsen-gefunden.html https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article210474071/Waf... Would you be happy if DEVGRU/Sealteam6..whatever they call them now, consist of KKK Members? >Germany is something like 3% and Europe is at 20% and going down. That 3% cannot be true, Germany is at least 1/3 the European economy, and you know since i live in Europe...i worry about Germany.

disgu 6y ago
So which country would you want to take the lead. Or phrased differently: Which country's army do you think doesn't have far right people in it?
- nix23 6y ago
  >Which country's army do you think doesn't have far right people in it? True but Germany is really famous for it, and it looks like they just don't get it under control, example? The most elite Fighting-force (KSK) has a big Nazi Problem...for years now. >So which country would you want to take the lead. Non of them, hence my idea to make a pact like Nato and not a European Army.
oblio 6y ago
> That 3% cannot be true, Germany is at least 1/3 the European economy, and you know since i live in Europe...i worry about Germany. Your info is out of date by a decade or more, I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_world_product https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_world_product > In 2017, according to the CIA's World Factbook, the GWP was around US $80.27 trillion in nominal terms and totaled approximately 127.8 trillion international dollars in terms of purchasing power parity (PPP). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany > German GDP: $3,780 trillion, $4.454 trillion PPP. So, Germany is 4% of the world GDP in nominal terms and 3.4% in PPP terms. And that was back in 2017, developing countries are growing faster, so Germany's share probably went down. Regarding Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union > EU GDP: $18.292 trillion, $18.377 trillion GDP. So Europe is 22% of the world GDP in nominal terms and 14% in PPP terms. And it's definitely going down as a share of the world economy. Germany also is only only about 20% of EU GDP in nominal terms and 24% in PPP terms. This part is also going down. You're conflating the EU with Europe. Europe has quite a few economies outside the EU: UK, Russia, Switzerland, Norway, etc. Germany is probably 12-15% of the European economy, or maybe less.
- nix23 6y ago
  >Your info is out of date by a decade or more, I think. The German economy is the fourth-largest in the world and accounted for one quarter (24.7%) of the European Union’s GDP in 2019. The second biggest in the EU (now France) is one third smaller. 3,449.050 (Germany) 2,425.708 (France) https://www.trade.gov/knowledge-product/germany-market-overview https://www.trade.gov/knowledge-product/germany-market-overv... >So, Germany is 4% of the world GDP in nominal terms and 3.4% in PPP terms. That's not important in terms of the EU >You're conflating the EU with Europe. Europe has quite a few economies outside the EU: UK, Russia, Switzerland, Norway, etc. Germany is probably 12-15% of the European economy, or maybe less. No i don't because i live in one of that Non EU but European/Schengen country's..again nothing todo with a EU-Army >And it's definitely going down as a share of the world economy. Again it's not about the World but the EU and the Schengen-Space
  - oblio 6y ago
    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20180511-1?inheritRedirect=true https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/D...
    - nix23 6y ago
      Is it intended that you took a statistic from 2017 with the UK (second biggest) still in it?
      - oblio 6y ago
        Nope, I linked the wrong thing. It still doesn't invalidate my other numbers. Germany is at best 25% of the EU economy and going down. Not "more than a third" (33%) as you claimed. In any case, fear of Germany is overblown in 2020. I'd definitely want a EU army with a major German contribution. Don't be a general fighting the previous war ;-)

by nix23 6y ago

disgu 6y ago

So which country would you want to take the lead. Or phrased differently: Which country's army do you think doesn't have far right people in it?

nix23 6y ago
>Which country's army do you think doesn't have far right people in it? True but Germany is really famous for it, and it looks like they just don't get it under control, example? The most elite Fighting-force (KSK) has a big Nazi Problem...for years now. >So which country would you want to take the lead. Non of them, hence my idea to make a pact like Nato and not a European Army.

oblio 6y ago

> That 3% cannot be true, Germany is at least 1/3 the European economy, and you know since i live in Europe...i worry about Germany. Your info is out of date by a decade or more, I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_world_product https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_world_product > In 2017, according to the CIA's World Factbook, the GWP was around US $80.27 trillion in nominal terms and totaled approximately 127.8 trillion international dollars in terms of purchasing power parity (PPP). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany > German GDP: $3,780 trillion, $4.454 trillion PPP. So, Germany is 4% of the world GDP in nominal terms and 3.4% in PPP terms. And that was back in 2017, developing countries are growing faster, so Germany's share probably went down. Regarding Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union > EU GDP: $18.292 trillion, $18.377 trillion GDP. So Europe is 22% of the world GDP in nominal terms and 14% in PPP terms. And it's definitely going down as a share of the world economy. Germany also is only only about 20% of EU GDP in nominal terms and 24% in PPP terms. This part is also going down. You're conflating the EU with Europe. Europe has quite a few economies outside the EU: UK, Russia, Switzerland, Norway, etc. Germany is probably 12-15% of the European economy, or maybe less.

nix23 6y ago
>Your info is out of date by a decade or more, I think. The German economy is the fourth-largest in the world and accounted for one quarter (24.7%) of the European Union’s GDP in 2019. The second biggest in the EU (now France) is one third smaller. 3,449.050 (Germany) 2,425.708 (France) https://www.trade.gov/knowledge-product/germany-market-overview https://www.trade.gov/knowledge-product/germany-market-overv... >So, Germany is 4% of the world GDP in nominal terms and 3.4% in PPP terms. That's not important in terms of the EU >You're conflating the EU with Europe. Europe has quite a few economies outside the EU: UK, Russia, Switzerland, Norway, etc. Germany is probably 12-15% of the European economy, or maybe less. No i don't because i live in one of that Non EU but European/Schengen country's..again nothing todo with a EU-Army >And it's definitely going down as a share of the world economy. Again it's not about the World but the EU and the Schengen-Space
- oblio 6y ago
  https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20180511-1?inheritRedirect=true https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/D...
  - nix23 6y ago
    Is it intended that you took a statistic from 2017 with the UK (second biggest) still in it?
    - oblio 6y ago
      Nope, I linked the wrong thing. It still doesn't invalidate my other numbers. Germany is at best 25% of the EU economy and going down. Not "more than a third" (33%) as you claimed. In any case, fear of Germany is overblown in 2020. I'd definitely want a EU army with a major German contribution. Don't be a general fighting the previous war ;-)