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Looking forward to getting mine. While I don't see this replacing my Android as a daily-driver anytime soon (and possibly never), I am very excited to have an

Looking forward to getting mine. While I don't see this replacing my Android as a daily-driver anytime soon (and possibly never), I am very excited to have an unrestricted computer in my pocket :-) Especially once the pandemic gets under control and I visit coffee shops or hang out with friends again, this will be great for some programming/study on the go :-) Maybe this will finally give me the kick to learn about GTK application development.

toyg 6y ago
> GTK application development Sigh, is this the only way to build apps for it? I hope not...
- fsflover 6y ago
  https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Apps/index.html https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Apps/index.html
- roblabla 6y ago
  It's GNU/Linux, you can build apps however you want. The PureOS distro is based on Gnome so GTK is the blessed framework for app development. However, Qt works just as well, and is used a lot in KDE's Plasma Mobile. And if that doesn't suit you either, any other framework will work, with the caveat that they might not support mobile form factor natively.
  - toyg 6y ago
    Yeah, I was hoping Qt would be a first-class citizen. My previous experiences with GTK on mobile have been bad (little or no docs, unconsistent APIs, etc etc...). I had a look at their docs and I like the focus on Python, I'll probably give it a go. If I can get a decent result with PyQt I'll probably order one of these bad boys.
    - inawarminister 6y ago
      PinePhone with KDE Plasma Mobile is going to be sold in the next few weeks so you might be interested in that as well!
    - seba_dos1 6y ago
      Be aware that Qt's widget library isn't exactly well-suited for mobile usage and mobile apps usually use QtQuick with frameworks like Kirigami. PureOS Amber unfortunately has a too old Qt to be able to say that it's a "first-class citizen" there :( It's going to change with a coming version that's based on Debian Bullseye though. Meanwhile, Qt apps run very well in Flatpak on Amber already.
      - swebs 6y ago
        >Be aware that Qt's widget library isn't exactly well-suited for mobile usage How so? It's my understanding that QT has been the industry standard for embedded systems.
        seba_dos1 6y ago
        If you make your own UI, yes. But if you make a desktop-style application that's supposed to adapt its UI to small touchscreens, you're going to have a hard time with Qt Widgets. Even KDE uses Qt Quick for its adaptive apps.
    - kop316 6y ago
      Qt fines fine on a Librem 5. I personally was able to run musescore on it.
- sneak 6y ago
  You should see how it works on the alternatives: you have to ID yourself to a multinational just to download the compiler and toolchain!
- rfvrgvegbegn 6y ago
  It's just a Linux computer, so you can use whatever you like : Qt, GTK, web, Flutter, LVGL, ImGui, custom OpenGL UI (like Blender & Godot), etc. But you might prefer a library that has mobile-ready widgets. For that GTK is actually not bad, especially with LibHandy, but QT/Flutter is also be great choice. It's up to you
socceroos 6y ago
Mine will be my daily driver. I'm currently on a Nexus 6P that has had two battery replacements and currently requires a vice to crush the centre of the screen every time I wish to charge it (doesn't recognise charging until you do - something to do with temperature sensor on battery). Screen-on time is ~45 minutes. I'm looking forward to getting a new device.
stilisstuk 6y ago
Why don't you think it'll be your daily driver, if I may ask?
joemazerino 6y ago
I ended up ordering the PinePhone because of the delays with the Librem5. I still await my order but I will be shocked if I end up sticking with the Purism device. All of the delays, the internal CTO drama, the lack of modern hardware and communication confusion has really soured my experience.

toyg 6y ago

> GTK application development Sigh, is this the only way to build apps for it? I hope not...

fsflover 6y ago
https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Apps/index.html https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Apps/index.html
roblabla 6y ago
It's GNU/Linux, you can build apps however you want. The PureOS distro is based on Gnome so GTK is the blessed framework for app development. However, Qt works just as well, and is used a lot in KDE's Plasma Mobile. And if that doesn't suit you either, any other framework will work, with the caveat that they might not support mobile form factor natively.
- toyg 6y ago
  Yeah, I was hoping Qt would be a first-class citizen. My previous experiences with GTK on mobile have been bad (little or no docs, unconsistent APIs, etc etc...). I had a look at their docs and I like the focus on Python, I'll probably give it a go. If I can get a decent result with PyQt I'll probably order one of these bad boys.
  - inawarminister 6y ago
    PinePhone with KDE Plasma Mobile is going to be sold in the next few weeks so you might be interested in that as well!
  - seba_dos1 6y ago
    Be aware that Qt's widget library isn't exactly well-suited for mobile usage and mobile apps usually use QtQuick with frameworks like Kirigami. PureOS Amber unfortunately has a too old Qt to be able to say that it's a "first-class citizen" there :( It's going to change with a coming version that's based on Debian Bullseye though. Meanwhile, Qt apps run very well in Flatpak on Amber already.
    - swebs 6y ago
      >Be aware that Qt's widget library isn't exactly well-suited for mobile usage How so? It's my understanding that QT has been the industry standard for embedded systems.
      - seba_dos1 6y ago
        If you make your own UI, yes. But if you make a desktop-style application that's supposed to adapt its UI to small touchscreens, you're going to have a hard time with Qt Widgets. Even KDE uses Qt Quick for its adaptive apps.
  - kop316 6y ago
    Qt fines fine on a Librem 5. I personally was able to run musescore on it.
sneak 6y ago
You should see how it works on the alternatives: you have to ID yourself to a multinational just to download the compiler and toolchain!
rfvrgvegbegn 6y ago
It's just a Linux computer, so you can use whatever you like : Qt, GTK, web, Flutter, LVGL, ImGui, custom OpenGL UI (like Blender & Godot), etc. But you might prefer a library that has mobile-ready widgets. For that GTK is actually not bad, especially with LibHandy, but QT/Flutter is also be great choice. It's up to you

socceroos 6y ago

Mine will be my daily driver. I'm currently on a Nexus 6P that has had two battery replacements and currently requires a vice to crush the centre of the screen every time I wish to charge it (doesn't recognise charging until you do - something to do with temperature sensor on battery). Screen-on time is ~45 minutes. I'm looking forward to getting a new device.

stilisstuk 6y ago

Why don't you think it'll be your daily driver, if I may ask?

joemazerino 6y ago

I ended up ordering the PinePhone because of the delays with the Librem5. I still await my order but I will be shocked if I end up sticking with the Purism device. All of the delays, the internal CTO drama, the lack of modern hardware and communication confusion has really soured my experience.