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I'm with you. Exact same feelings. What makes it worse I'm currently in a country where the things that interest me have completely dried up work wise. My par

I'm with you. Exact same feelings. What makes it worse I'm currently in a country where the things that interest me have completely dried up work wise. My partner is a resident since birth and want's to stay, I've been here a few years, don't mind it but see it as a tech backwater. Searching LinkedIn I get no jobs, searching overseas I'm getting hundreds. Local being Sydney Australia and overseas being London. Things that interest me being Scala, functional programing, work that isn't big data with large corporations trying to fuck over their customers and doing bad things collecting/using data and not crypto currency. The only options I have is go in to management. Not my skill set at all and I'd be / am a terrible manager as dislike the politics being a blunt straight talking person. My partner also jokes saying I show autistic tendencies with my bluntness not being able to read the situation. I can change careers then I'd be taking a 4x paycut at the least and that's after 3-4 years of re-training. I'd be struggling to live even though I have a modest life style driving a 10year old toyota corolla in a cheap rented house. I love manual labor I find it more re-warding than sat in endless meetings with people talking gibberish avoiding giving a straight answer or avoiding just getting the work done but i'd be silly to make the switch. So right now I am stuck in a job I'm bored with, dealing with stuff I don't want to deal with for a company who staff are great and some of the best people i've worked with but owner is a text book psychopath, and the contracts dull all for the pay check.

towaytie4567 6y ago
> work that isn't big data with large corporations trying to fuck over their customers and doing bad things collecting/using data This is something I'm struggling with as well. My company recently acquired another company that collects large amounts of user data. I'm planning to quit as soon as I have a reasonable idea about what to do next.
elevenoh 6y ago
>Local being Sydney Australia and overseas being London Is sydney that rough for programming jobs?
- quickthrower2 6y ago
  I think Sydney has plenty of programming jobs albeit not high paid ones like the states.
  - tiew9Vii 6y ago
    I think it has lots of (reasonable amount) - Low end web stuff, i.e typical design agency work. HTML, CSS, Javascript, React. React is big, every frontend job wants React. - Python. Mostly with big data doing stuff I don't want to do as shady, or the other big Python jobs are is deveops. - Devops stuff, mostly Kubernetes. Almost every Kubernetes job I've done they hadn't needed Kubernetes and it's lead to massively over complicated infrastructure because everyone is doing Kubernetes not because Kubernetes was appropriate. - Some Java but mainly knocking out Spring Boot apps for the big four (banks) or other tier one organizations. The type of large organizations that are so large they are dysfunctional. I worked at Atlassian before the IPO and briefly after. Before the IPO it was pretty good, after IPO and they got a new CTO, my experience then changed as was on a great team that deliberately got broke up as even though we where labelled high performance the CTO banned the tech (language) we where using to standardize on Spring Boot as the CTO used Spring Boot previously at Gumtree. The glass doors posts at the time where telling. Pay was mediocre and they utilized a lot of 438 visas and I feel took advantage of overseas employees not being familiar with AU pay. Pay wasn't bad but was definatley on the lower end of Sydney rates and the CTO stood on stage saying they are quite pleased they will never pay as much as Google or other companies and still have people wanting to work for them as they are Atlassian. Like I say, when you compare the job ads to somewhere like London, the type and variety of work is significantly different. Right now I'd take a pay cut not to do big data, javascript or devops minus kubernetes unless they have a fleet of thousands of hosts working on a meaningful product.
    - quickthrower2 6y ago
      I agree with this. There is c# too but thats a parallel universe to the Java world. Feel free to get in touch via my profile btw. Nice to chat to Sydney base HNers!
pedalpete 6y ago
I've had a very different experience here in Sydney. Though the pay is not as high as being in the US, it's decent. The lifestyle is good. The people are great. The tech punches above it's weight. There is a good focus on success through numbers, vs too much talk in the US (my impression anyway). When you're talking about contracts, that makes me think you're working for a consultancy, or similar job shop. That's not where the good work is. A "tech backwater"??? I'm a bit jaded because I worked at CSIRO, met a few Atlassian people before I moved here (and before it was big), saw friends and co-workers become early hires at Canva, OneLogin, Propeller, etc etc. With the new tech we've been working on in the health space, my co-founder and I were surprised to discover one of the bigger BCI companies does all their R&D in Sydney! We commented on how big things are quietly being done in Sydney. But hey, our old boss invented WiFi, so we are looking at things through that lens. Australia punches above it's weight for tech, perhaps you're just not in the right circles.

towaytie4567 6y ago

> work that isn't big data with large corporations trying to fuck over their customers and doing bad things collecting/using data This is something I'm struggling with as well. My company recently acquired another company that collects large amounts of user data. I'm planning to quit as soon as I have a reasonable idea about what to do next.

elevenoh 6y ago

>Local being Sydney Australia and overseas being London Is sydney that rough for programming jobs?

quickthrower2 6y ago
I think Sydney has plenty of programming jobs albeit not high paid ones like the states.
- tiew9Vii 6y ago
  I think it has lots of (reasonable amount) - Low end web stuff, i.e typical design agency work. HTML, CSS, Javascript, React. React is big, every frontend job wants React. - Python. Mostly with big data doing stuff I don't want to do as shady, or the other big Python jobs are is deveops. - Devops stuff, mostly Kubernetes. Almost every Kubernetes job I've done they hadn't needed Kubernetes and it's lead to massively over complicated infrastructure because everyone is doing Kubernetes not because Kubernetes was appropriate. - Some Java but mainly knocking out Spring Boot apps for the big four (banks) or other tier one organizations. The type of large organizations that are so large they are dysfunctional. I worked at Atlassian before the IPO and briefly after. Before the IPO it was pretty good, after IPO and they got a new CTO, my experience then changed as was on a great team that deliberately got broke up as even though we where labelled high performance the CTO banned the tech (language) we where using to standardize on Spring Boot as the CTO used Spring Boot previously at Gumtree. The glass doors posts at the time where telling. Pay was mediocre and they utilized a lot of 438 visas and I feel took advantage of overseas employees not being familiar with AU pay. Pay wasn't bad but was definatley on the lower end of Sydney rates and the CTO stood on stage saying they are quite pleased they will never pay as much as Google or other companies and still have people wanting to work for them as they are Atlassian. Like I say, when you compare the job ads to somewhere like London, the type and variety of work is significantly different. Right now I'd take a pay cut not to do big data, javascript or devops minus kubernetes unless they have a fleet of thousands of hosts working on a meaningful product.
  - quickthrower2 6y ago
    I agree with this. There is c# too but thats a parallel universe to the Java world. Feel free to get in touch via my profile btw. Nice to chat to Sydney base HNers!

pedalpete 6y ago

I've had a very different experience here in Sydney. Though the pay is not as high as being in the US, it's decent. The lifestyle is good. The people are great. The tech punches above it's weight. There is a good focus on success through numbers, vs too much talk in the US (my impression anyway). When you're talking about contracts, that makes me think you're working for a consultancy, or similar job shop. That's not where the good work is. A "tech backwater"??? I'm a bit jaded because I worked at CSIRO, met a few Atlassian people before I moved here (and before it was big), saw friends and co-workers become early hires at Canva, OneLogin, Propeller, etc etc. With the new tech we've been working on in the health space, my co-founder and I were surprised to discover one of the bigger BCI companies does all their R&D in Sydney! We commented on how big things are quietly being done in Sydney. But hey, our old boss invented WiFi, so we are looking at things through that lens. Australia punches above it's weight for tech, perhaps you're just not in the right circles.