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With you 100%. Things have gotten... weird... in the past 8yrs or so. 13 yrs as a SWE here. Self taught in tech, programming since I was a freshmen in highschoo

by pbrb 6y ago

With you 100%. Things have gotten... weird... in the past 8yrs or so. 13 yrs as a SWE here. Self taught in tech, programming since I was a freshmen in highschool, majored in business in my undergrad but stuck with tech for a career. What's next is the big question. I enjoyed my last gig, 4 years at a startup, massively more than I do now at at an 'elite' tech company where I'm 5 yrs in. It's just so fucking annoying and tedious. The only problem is I need to stick it out for 5 more years or so to be financially independent and work for myself. What kills me is the knowledge that if I played the game properly, I could already be there. Now, I have to decide on if I throw away 5 years, or eject and take the risk to do my own thing now. I'm giving it one more year to make that decision. At this point, I feel like it will come down to a coin flip, where I will pray for whatever side is the eject button while the coin is mid air. What's your plan if you quit tech?

faanghacker 6y ago
Probably travel for a while, take care of those bucket list items, and then figure it out. My creativity is completely dead from working in big tech (see my user name) -- it will take some time for it to come back and then have a sprouting of various ideas. I'm really not in a place to plan beyond that right now.
lukeplato 6y ago
> What kills me is the knowledge that if I played the game properly, I could already be there I'm curious, what did you mean by playing the game properly?
- giantg2 6y ago
  I'm guessing he means office politics. That's the way I feel anyways - if I had participated in politics and the games the company plays rather than just be the best technical person I could, then I would be much better off. I know a guy that started a year after me. He's a manager now (3-4 promos), making at least $30k more than me, while I'm just a midlevel (1 promo).
  - pbrb 6y ago
    There's a lot to that, but I'm actually half decent at the politics. I held a fairly senior role previously, and still play the game pretty well. I'm just underpaid and pissed off about it, to the point that it effects my performance.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      Yeah, similar to your pay comment, I've become disillusioned by the company screwing me over and passing me over. I consider salary/raise/promo negotiations to be part of the politics and games. What else would you say is the root cause of you being underpaid?
      - pbrb 6y ago
        Starting my career with lower comp. I detailed this in a post in this same thread, just a little higher up.
        giantg2 6y ago
        Cool. That's part of what I did too - lower starting comp and stayed at the same company (8 years now).
- pbrb 6y ago
  I didn't know how well you could be paid as a software engineer, and I didn't try to maximize compensation in any way. I did a masters of comp sci in my late 20s, and instead of going for FAANG internships, I took a role that was similar to what I was doing previously (Dev Infra/DevOps). I was stubborn and thought "Why would I be an intern? I was managing two teams at my last job", but didn't realize that FAANG interns actually made equal or more money than I did, and an entry level FAANG offer was much higher than the role I had accepted. I just didn't know, and I had nobody helping me. So, here I am, mid-30s, making less than my peers at a trading company for the same work because I didn't come from FAANG. This is actually a big reason I'm ready to quit tech. It just doesn't seem worth it. A little over a year ago, I was hiring someone, and the internal recruiter slipped up on a phone call with me while talking about putting together an offer. They mentioned what an indirect report of mine made as a comparison. His base was more than my total comp. After that, I pretty much checked out for a year and did the bare minimum. At this point, the only way for me to increase my comp is to move companies, likely to FAANG, and from what I hear, I'll be 'down-leveled' coming from outside of FAANG, and in a similar position I'm in now. At most non-FAANG companies, my next comp package will be driven off of my current one, so I'm pretty boned. It feels like the only option is to get competing offers from multiple top-tier companies, which I just don't have time for. My day job is already super draining, so I'm not sure how I'll have time to prep for interviews to the level that will get me those multiple offers. That's a lot of text to say I'm underpaid, and have been for most of my career because I didn't know what I should be getting paid.
quickthrower2 6y ago
If you retire after 18 years, compared to the average dev worldwide, that’s amazing. I’d be happy with 30.
- pbrb 6y ago
  Exactly, I can't really be all that upset. I'm still really well off, and do make more than the average developer. It's just frustrating. Also, I don't ever plan on retiring. I'll still have to work, I'll just have enough to where I can work for myself and in a less demanding type of role. I'll probably pick up consulting contracts, and maybe turn that into a business. Edit: About 50% of my investments were building a small business on the side in my early 20s that I sold, and some real estate. This isn't all coming from tech job income.
  - quickthrower2 6y ago
    Oh cool nicely dome. I’d assume you made it through FAANG RSUs which seems like another world to me on another country!

by pbrb 6y ago

faanghacker 6y ago

Probably travel for a while, take care of those bucket list items, and then figure it out. My creativity is completely dead from working in big tech (see my user name) -- it will take some time for it to come back and then have a sprouting of various ideas. I'm really not in a place to plan beyond that right now.

lukeplato 6y ago

> What kills me is the knowledge that if I played the game properly, I could already be there I'm curious, what did you mean by playing the game properly?

giantg2 6y ago
I'm guessing he means office politics. That's the way I feel anyways - if I had participated in politics and the games the company plays rather than just be the best technical person I could, then I would be much better off. I know a guy that started a year after me. He's a manager now (3-4 promos), making at least $30k more than me, while I'm just a midlevel (1 promo).
- pbrb 6y ago
  There's a lot to that, but I'm actually half decent at the politics. I held a fairly senior role previously, and still play the game pretty well. I'm just underpaid and pissed off about it, to the point that it effects my performance.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    Yeah, similar to your pay comment, I've become disillusioned by the company screwing me over and passing me over. I consider salary/raise/promo negotiations to be part of the politics and games. What else would you say is the root cause of you being underpaid?
    - pbrb 6y ago
      Starting my career with lower comp. I detailed this in a post in this same thread, just a little higher up.
      - giantg2 6y ago
        Cool. That's part of what I did too - lower starting comp and stayed at the same company (8 years now).
pbrb 6y ago
I didn't know how well you could be paid as a software engineer, and I didn't try to maximize compensation in any way. I did a masters of comp sci in my late 20s, and instead of going for FAANG internships, I took a role that was similar to what I was doing previously (Dev Infra/DevOps). I was stubborn and thought "Why would I be an intern? I was managing two teams at my last job", but didn't realize that FAANG interns actually made equal or more money than I did, and an entry level FAANG offer was much higher than the role I had accepted. I just didn't know, and I had nobody helping me. So, here I am, mid-30s, making less than my peers at a trading company for the same work because I didn't come from FAANG. This is actually a big reason I'm ready to quit tech. It just doesn't seem worth it. A little over a year ago, I was hiring someone, and the internal recruiter slipped up on a phone call with me while talking about putting together an offer. They mentioned what an indirect report of mine made as a comparison. His base was more than my total comp. After that, I pretty much checked out for a year and did the bare minimum. At this point, the only way for me to increase my comp is to move companies, likely to FAANG, and from what I hear, I'll be 'down-leveled' coming from outside of FAANG, and in a similar position I'm in now. At most non-FAANG companies, my next comp package will be driven off of my current one, so I'm pretty boned. It feels like the only option is to get competing offers from multiple top-tier companies, which I just don't have time for. My day job is already super draining, so I'm not sure how I'll have time to prep for interviews to the level that will get me those multiple offers. That's a lot of text to say I'm underpaid, and have been for most of my career because I didn't know what I should be getting paid.

quickthrower2 6y ago

If you retire after 18 years, compared to the average dev worldwide, that’s amazing. I’d be happy with 30.

pbrb 6y ago
Exactly, I can't really be all that upset. I'm still really well off, and do make more than the average developer. It's just frustrating. Also, I don't ever plan on retiring. I'll still have to work, I'll just have enough to where I can work for myself and in a less demanding type of role. I'll probably pick up consulting contracts, and maybe turn that into a business. Edit: About 50% of my investments were building a small business on the side in my early 20s that I sold, and some real estate. This isn't all coming from tech job income.
- quickthrower2 6y ago
  Oh cool nicely dome. I’d assume you made it through FAANG RSUs which seems like another world to me on another country!