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I mean, if Apple doesn't release any drivers for its hardwares, then it is effectively true - you won't be able to run anything other than macOS on it and will

I mean, if Apple doesn't release any drivers for its hardwares, then it is effectively true - you won't be able to run anything other than macOS on it and will have to depend on VMs for other OSes. Let's not forget that Apple moved to ARM Macs not only for increased profit but also to exert even more control over Mac desktops and turn them into ios like spying client terminals where you can't run anything on it not approved by Apple or without their knowledge.

gjsman-1000 6y ago
Yes, but the misunderstanding was that an option like "Permissive Security" wouldn't exist - that you would have no possibility of anything but MacOS. It does exist, but Apple's just not going to help you with that. Also, to unlock your Mac: 1. `csrutil disable` to disable SIP 2. `sudo spctl --master-disable` to disable Gatekeeper and allow apps from anywhere And finally, the whole thing about MacOS Spying on every app you opened and bypassing VPNs - turns out, both stories had some fake news to them. It was actually the developer certificate (not the actual app), and Apple has announced they are building a new protocol with more failsafes to prevent a repeat of the previous incidents. As for the "bypassing VPNs," that's actually not true at all. System-wide VPNs still do work in Big Sur, it's just that the API that Little Snitch used for app-specific traffic redirects doesn't work on system apps (although system apps still respect system-wide VPN settings).
- ctpide 6y ago
  Would LittleSnitch now not technically be able to continue using the kernel extensions it relied upon? > To allow installation of software that uses kernel extensions, select the “Allow user management of kernel extensions from identified developers” checkbox.
- webmobdev 6y ago
  > And finally, the whole thing about MacOS Spying It is spying, even if there is exaggeration and minimising of the facts from both sides. The new macOS cripples all application firewalls to ensure that no Apple service can be prevented from spying on you, even if you don't want to.
hcarvalhoalves 6y ago
> Let's not forget that Apple moved to ARM Macs not only for increased profit but also to exert even more control over Mac This is conspiracy theory at this point. The benchmarks showing the performance and battery-life improvements are a logical explanation to why they moved to their ARM chips. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste...
- webmobdev 6y ago
  > This is conspiracy theory at this point. No, it isn't, but I am sure Apple would like all of us to think so. The new macOS already cripples firewalls to ensure that Apple can spy on you better and retain even more control over your device. Lack of drivers for Apple hardware means that you can only run their OS on it. The frog is being boiled ever so slowly, while also being given Kool-aid to make them think everything's fine. /s
  - mlindner 6y ago
    Doing those things doesn't require moving to a new architecture. They can do those things perfectly fine on the current Intel systems. So your point is pure conspiracy theory.
    - webmobdev 6y ago
      > Doing those things doesn't require moving to a new architecture. It clearly indicates the direction they are moving towards - you need to change both the software and the hadware to create a closed system like ios. The example I cited about crippling the firewall is the changes made to the software towards this goal. The move to ARM processors is the hardware change to this same goal.
      - mlindner 6y ago
        You can change the hardware without changing the cpu. Apple added the T2 chip to Macs that locks down the system just as much as the M1 chip, without removing x86.
ogre_codes 6y ago
> Let's not forget that Apple moved to ARM Macs not only for increased profit... Apple's profit margins have been pretty consistent for the past 20 years. That isn't going to change now. Though it's likely looking at the performance numbers Apple will make more profit due to increased sales. > but also to exert even more control over Mac desktops Well yes, but "more control" in this case means they can do take the CPU in a direction which suits them. Things like moving RAM, neural engine, and Secure Enclave into the main SOC. > and turn them into ios like spying client terminals where you can't run anything on it not approved by Apple or without their knowledge. Now we're veering into tin-foil hat territory.
- webmobdev 6y ago
  > Now we're veering into tin-foil hat territory. Sure, keep making fun of people like us. I was downvoted to hell when I pointed that that the changes made to Big Sur was specifically designed to CRIPPLE application firewalls that are also used to block Apple softwares from spying on its users. And that is exactly what has happened - application firewalls on Big Sur can no longer effectively block Apple services from connecting to the internet and sending consumer data to Apple. The noose is tightening ever so slowly as we customers are deprived of our rights ... the frog is being slowly boiled while also being given Kool-aid to make them think everything's fine. /s
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    > Sure, keep making fun of people like us. Was not trying to make fun of you. Your comment (and this one too) was speculative and made a lot of assumptions about motives you can't know.
    - superkuh 6y ago
      Knowing the future is hard. Knowing how Apple has behaved in the past and how they are behaving currently and extrapolating is much easier. All indications are that apple is doing this to re-lockdown their market.

gjsman-1000 6y ago

Yes, but the misunderstanding was that an option like "Permissive Security" wouldn't exist - that you would have no possibility of anything but MacOS. It does exist, but Apple's just not going to help you with that. Also, to unlock your Mac: 1. `csrutil disable` to disable SIP 2. `sudo spctl --master-disable` to disable Gatekeeper and allow apps from anywhere And finally, the whole thing about MacOS Spying on every app you opened and bypassing VPNs - turns out, both stories had some fake news to them. It was actually the developer certificate (not the actual app), and Apple has announced they are building a new protocol with more failsafes to prevent a repeat of the previous incidents. As for the "bypassing VPNs," that's actually not true at all. System-wide VPNs still do work in Big Sur, it's just that the API that Little Snitch used for app-specific traffic redirects doesn't work on system apps (although system apps still respect system-wide VPN settings).

ctpide 6y ago
Would LittleSnitch now not technically be able to continue using the kernel extensions it relied upon? > To allow installation of software that uses kernel extensions, select the “Allow user management of kernel extensions from identified developers” checkbox.
webmobdev 6y ago
> And finally, the whole thing about MacOS Spying It is spying, even if there is exaggeration and minimising of the facts from both sides. The new macOS cripples all application firewalls to ensure that no Apple service can be prevented from spying on you, even if you don't want to.

hcarvalhoalves 6y ago

> Let's not forget that Apple moved to ARM Macs not only for increased profit but also to exert even more control over Mac This is conspiracy theory at this point. The benchmarks showing the performance and battery-life improvements are a logical explanation to why they moved to their ARM chips. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste...

webmobdev 6y ago
> This is conspiracy theory at this point. No, it isn't, but I am sure Apple would like all of us to think so. The new macOS already cripples firewalls to ensure that Apple can spy on you better and retain even more control over your device. Lack of drivers for Apple hardware means that you can only run their OS on it. The frog is being boiled ever so slowly, while also being given Kool-aid to make them think everything's fine. /s
- mlindner 6y ago
  Doing those things doesn't require moving to a new architecture. They can do those things perfectly fine on the current Intel systems. So your point is pure conspiracy theory.
  - webmobdev 6y ago
    > Doing those things doesn't require moving to a new architecture. It clearly indicates the direction they are moving towards - you need to change both the software and the hadware to create a closed system like ios. The example I cited about crippling the firewall is the changes made to the software towards this goal. The move to ARM processors is the hardware change to this same goal.
    - mlindner 6y ago
      You can change the hardware without changing the cpu. Apple added the T2 chip to Macs that locks down the system just as much as the M1 chip, without removing x86.

ogre_codes 6y ago

> Let's not forget that Apple moved to ARM Macs not only for increased profit... Apple's profit margins have been pretty consistent for the past 20 years. That isn't going to change now. Though it's likely looking at the performance numbers Apple will make more profit due to increased sales. > but also to exert even more control over Mac desktops Well yes, but "more control" in this case means they can do take the CPU in a direction which suits them. Things like moving RAM, neural engine, and Secure Enclave into the main SOC. > and turn them into ios like spying client terminals where you can't run anything on it not approved by Apple or without their knowledge. Now we're veering into tin-foil hat territory.

webmobdev 6y ago
> Now we're veering into tin-foil hat territory. Sure, keep making fun of people like us. I was downvoted to hell when I pointed that that the changes made to Big Sur was specifically designed to CRIPPLE application firewalls that are also used to block Apple softwares from spying on its users. And that is exactly what has happened - application firewalls on Big Sur can no longer effectively block Apple services from connecting to the internet and sending consumer data to Apple. The noose is tightening ever so slowly as we customers are deprived of our rights ... the frog is being slowly boiled while also being given Kool-aid to make them think everything's fine. /s
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  > Sure, keep making fun of people like us. Was not trying to make fun of you. Your comment (and this one too) was speculative and made a lot of assumptions about motives you can't know.
  - superkuh 6y ago
    Knowing the future is hard. Knowing how Apple has behaved in the past and how they are behaving currently and extrapolating is much easier. All indications are that apple is doing this to re-lockdown their market.