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Google already has too much info from email, location tracking, and search history. Getting into bank accounts is too much. It would let them know exactly how
by thesuperbigfrog 6y ago
Google already has too much info from email, location tracking, and search history.
Getting into bank accounts is too much. It would let them know exactly how effective advertising is since they would see how money is spent and they already know what advertisements they show you.
Sorry, but no. Hard pass from me.
- ra7 6y agoThey say your transaction history with Google Pay won't be used in other Google services. How much you trust that is up to you.
- mediumdeviation 6y agoThey said the same thing about DoubleClick and YouTube. The amount of trust you should give to Google's words is zero.
- emmelaich 6y agoDid they though? Do you have a link for us?
- thesuperbigfrog 6y agoIt is too tempting for Google to pass up. It is only change in "terms of service" away after enough people are using it. The Google Rewards app is always wanting a photo of receipts when I pay with a credit card. Why would this be any different, especially when they would have access to the data so easily?
- aeortiz 6y agonot at the beginning, but they reserve the right to change their TOS anytime.
- d1zzy 6y agoAnd you will know when that happens and then you can stop using the service.
- ceejayoz 6y agoOr, we can refuse to play Charlie Brown + Lucy with the football entirely.
- paulryanrogers 6y agoTrue yet just today I got a notice of terms changing effective ... Today, November 18th. So one might only have hours to react before implicitly agreeing by failing to opt out or cancel. Perhaps even less of the change in terms is effective immediately.
- throwaway2048 6y agoBut yet they will still have all your data
- tagawa 6y agoI seem to remember them saying the same thing after the Nest acquisition in 2014 (“Nest data will stay with Nest”) but that didn’t last long. https://archive.is/Aue14 https://archive.is/Aue14
- Romanulus 6y agoHence the hard pass. It's not like they are providing it for free and need to make money somehow. "Do the right thing."
- gerash 6y agoUnpopular opinion here: I do want an entity I trust at a given time (eg. Google, Apple, some credit union, etc.) to mine the raw data they have on my account and do something useful with it as long as neither the raw data nor the derived one is shared with other third parties. My idea of something useful here isn't ads per se but currently I see ads for Google Fi in Gmail even though I'm a subscriber. That's pretty dumb
- pluto9 6y agoWith all the horror stories I've heard of them shutting down peoples' accounts with no explanation, recourse, or way to recover their contents, I have to agree.
- klipt 6y agoYeah, when a normal bank closes your account, you can open one at another bank. Google closes your bank account, you potentially lose your email, passwords, contacts, documents...
- d1zzy 6y agoTo take this comparison further: you still need to transfer your assets out of the first bank, otherwise you lose all of that. Similarly you would need to get your digital assets out of Google, using Takeout. But not sure if Takeout is a service you can access when Google Account is locked, if not, it should be.
- visarga 6y agoYou need more than takeout. There should be a grace period when you're allowed to switch your accounts that rely on the Gmail address before they kill it. Maybe at first they could block only the sending of emails so you could still receive confirmation emails. By the way, why is closing an account a practice instead of closing just the sending of emails?
- d1zzy 6y agoWhen was the last such horror story you heard? (and I specifically mean shutting down access to Google Account and all services) Last time I heard this type of story was back in Google+ times when it was trying to enforce some silly real name policy.
- pluto9 6y agoHere are some, published just a couple weeks ago: https://www.businessinsider.com/google-users-locked-out-after-years-2020-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/google-users-locked-out-afte... Several of these stories have appeared on HN just over the past year or so as well. Edit: The amount of downvoting on this and my original comment is puzzling to me. If someone who takes issue with it would care to explain what the problem is, I'd sincerely like to hear about it.
- mcintyre1994 6y agoAs far as I know credit card companies have always sold transaction history - Google must surely be buyers of that data already. I’m sure this is intended to make that data flow more direct for them though, and easier to link it to a Google account this way.
- quicklime 6y ago> Google must surely be buyers of that data already Yes, they are: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-30/google-and-mastercard-cut-a-secret-ad-deal-to-track-retail-sales https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-30/google-an...
- thanhhaimai 6y agoBrynn Bardacke (Google Pay Senior Director) stated publicly that: 1) Google Pay will never sell your information. 2) Specifically, Google Pay will never sell your transaction history to third parties 3) Or share it with the rest of Google for targeting ads. Source: https://youtu.be/A2hL32k7Y0I?t=934 https://youtu.be/A2hL32k7Y0I?t=934
- maxwell 6y agoYou still trust Google?
- thanhhaimai 6y agoI'm just providing facts, with source. The above post contains no opinion. I'm not sure why you assume anything about my trust with Google?
- ditonal 6y agoIt may be a fact that the Google spokeperson said that, but parroting it without any context does seem to imply you have trust in Google. I don’t think that’s an unfair take on what you posted. Google has eroded a ton of trust over the years so to emphasize (with your italics) a public statement does seem to brush over the lack of credibility of the source you’re repeating.
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- 0xy 6y agoUnless you add a Mastercard to your Google Pay account, because Google purchases Mastercard data directly for ad targeting purposes. So he's being very misleading here, likely deliberately. They don't directly share it with the rest of Google, but indirectly your Google Pay data is still laundered through shady Mastercard deals to Google's ad behemoth anyway. Google Pay -> Data laundered through Mastercard -> Google Ads
- pjc50 6y ago
- giancarlostoro 6y agoAfter watching them create so many services and cancel them (including my Google Pay card) I've bought an iPhone and this sort of integration exists already built-in and I don't feel like I'm having my transactions creeped on. There's a bunch of other reasons why I've ditched Google but since we're discussing this, this is one of the main ones. I am likely going to ditch my gmail for iCloud as well.
- emmelaich 6y agoThey say never, which seems pretty categorical to me. > Google Pay will never sell your data to third parties or share your transaction history with the rest of Google for targeting ads.
- stubish 6y agoSo they will give the data to a third party for free or in a non-monetary exchange? Say data swaps with Mastercard and Visa? Or hand off the data without the constraints to a subsidiary? Needs to be a little more categorical.
- josteink 6y agoJust like google promised your unlimited photos would be free for life? Google’s promises are worth shit.
- what_ever 6y agoDid Google promise that? I thought that was only for Pixel devices until Pixel 3. Disc: Googler.