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>Now that Microsoft and Apple have introduced app stores on Windows and macOS, they plan to slowly erode our freedom on PCs too so that they can reap the same f

>Now that Microsoft and Apple have introduced app stores on Windows and macOS, they plan to slowly erode our freedom on PCs too so that they can reap the same financial benefits on our labour on all computing platforms I haven’t seen any indication that MS is trending in this direction, nor could I envision how they would go about doing such a thing. Fuck Apple though. Rent-seeking scum.

lux 6y ago
Right you are! My mistake on including them as an example there. I should fix that. Edit: While they're not taking the same fee (honestly, 5% is pretty great!), they are the original company recognized for their "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy. I'm super impressed with Microsoft's turnaround on open source, but I'm still leery of them long-term, especially if leadership changes down the road.
- patrec 6y ago
  He's not right. Windows comes with "telemetry" (read spyware) you cannot disable (unless you got a corporate version). Also UEFI has not exactly been without controversy.
  - partiallypro 6y ago
    What does collecting telemetry have to do with walled garden ecosystems that are used to squeeze every ounce of profit out of developers? Doesn't even makes sense.
    - patrec 6y ago
      So you think, sure Microsoft may lock users out of control of their own computers when it serves their monetization interests but they would never do anything so crass as control third party developer access in order to squeeze profit out of them?
      - patrec 6y ago
        Ex-Microsofty Gabe must have been pretty paranoid when he decided to bootstrap a linux based gaming platform out of fear of being locked out by Microsoft.
- BoorishBears 6y ago
  https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2020/11/17/meet-the-microsoft-pluton-processor-the-security-chip-designed-for-the-future-of-windows-pcs/ https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2020/11/17/meet-the-...
  - my123 6y ago
    That's an improved TPM/TPM successor. Those don't lock you out of anything Secure Boot wise, it's just not what they're designed for.
    - BoorishBears 6y ago
      By that logic T2 is also "just an improved TPM/TPM successor". It's not hard to infer the direction that MS is going with this concept.
tomerico 6y ago
Microsoft is definitely doing maneuvers in that direction - see this for example https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-to-permit-block-on-apps-installing-if-theyre-not-from-microsoft-store/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-to-permit-block-on-...
modeless 6y ago
Windows 10 S is how they would do it. It's optional, for now. But that's mostly because it hasn't been successful. If Microsoft was able to get more apps on the Windows Store, I have no doubt they would start introducing Windows 10 S devices that can't be unlocked to full Windows.
jason0597 6y ago
Have you forgotten about Windows 10 S?

lux 6y ago

Right you are! My mistake on including them as an example there. I should fix that. Edit: While they're not taking the same fee (honestly, 5% is pretty great!), they are the original company recognized for their "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy. I'm super impressed with Microsoft's turnaround on open source, but I'm still leery of them long-term, especially if leadership changes down the road.

patrec 6y ago
He's not right. Windows comes with "telemetry" (read spyware) you cannot disable (unless you got a corporate version). Also UEFI has not exactly been without controversy.
- partiallypro 6y ago
  What does collecting telemetry have to do with walled garden ecosystems that are used to squeeze every ounce of profit out of developers? Doesn't even makes sense.
  - patrec 6y ago
    So you think, sure Microsoft may lock users out of control of their own computers when it serves their monetization interests but they would never do anything so crass as control third party developer access in order to squeeze profit out of them?
    - patrec 6y ago
      Ex-Microsofty Gabe must have been pretty paranoid when he decided to bootstrap a linux based gaming platform out of fear of being locked out by Microsoft.
BoorishBears 6y ago
https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2020/11/17/meet-the-microsoft-pluton-processor-the-security-chip-designed-for-the-future-of-windows-pcs/ https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2020/11/17/meet-the-...
- my123 6y ago
  That's an improved TPM/TPM successor. Those don't lock you out of anything Secure Boot wise, it's just not what they're designed for.
  - BoorishBears 6y ago
    By that logic T2 is also "just an improved TPM/TPM successor". It's not hard to infer the direction that MS is going with this concept.

tomerico 6y ago

Microsoft is definitely doing maneuvers in that direction - see this for example https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-to-permit-block-on-apps-installing-if-theyre-not-from-microsoft-store/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-to-permit-block-on-...

modeless 6y ago

Windows 10 S is how they would do it. It's optional, for now. But that's mostly because it hasn't been successful. If Microsoft was able to get more apps on the Windows Store, I have no doubt they would start introducing Windows 10 S devices that can't be unlocked to full Windows.

jason0597 6y ago

Have you forgotten about Windows 10 S?