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Why did they fight the founders in the first place? Hopefully other projects will be treated differently from them in the future.

spullara 15y ago
It seemed to me the founders decided there was a fight when Oracle got the trademark for Hudson. Was there more to the 'fight' than that?
- bernardwilson 15y ago
  The fight was over control. The trademark issue meant that it didn't matter what the community wanted, it could be 1,000,000 : 1 against, if the 1 was Oracle, they could stop (or force) anything they wanted. Commercial interests had wanted to move to Eclipse before. Most developers see the Eclipse process as overly bureaucratic and unfriendly - and therefore were -1 on that. The whole process has been an attempt to try to force-feed the development community into eclipse, whether they like it or not. Because they hold the trademark, they have the control. Well, thing is, eclipse was disliked before, and it is disliked now. I seriously doubt any devs will be considering it.
brown9-2 15y ago
The short version is that the developers voted to move the project's source code hosting to github after several infrastructure problems with java.net, including unplanned downtime (there were some issues of the wrong groups notified for actual planned maintenance, etc). The team at Oracle clamped down on this and said no, you cannot do this, all decisions regarding infrastructure are to be made by us, and claimed that a (silent) majority of the larger "user community" was not in favor of moving to Github, although why these people did not speak up on the developer list or why casual users cared where the source code was hosted was never explained. After seeing how hard Oracle was to work with on simple things like hosting, the core developers voted to fork the project rather than live under a situation where Oracle could make threats because of their claim to own the trademark to the name Hudson. Longer version: http://jenkins-ci.org/content/whos-driving-thing http://jenkins-ci.org/content/whos-driving-thing and http://jenkins-ci.org/content/hudsons-future http://jenkins-ci.org/content/hudsons-future
- btilly 15y ago
  Every time I see that name change, I mentally prepend Leeroy to the name Jenkins. Given how well known that meme is, I have to wonder whether it was intended at some level. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU if you don't get the reference.
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spullara 15y ago

It seemed to me the founders decided there was a fight when Oracle got the trademark for Hudson. Was there more to the 'fight' than that?

bernardwilson 15y ago
The fight was over control. The trademark issue meant that it didn't matter what the community wanted, it could be 1,000,000 : 1 against, if the 1 was Oracle, they could stop (or force) anything they wanted. Commercial interests had wanted to move to Eclipse before. Most developers see the Eclipse process as overly bureaucratic and unfriendly - and therefore were -1 on that. The whole process has been an attempt to try to force-feed the development community into eclipse, whether they like it or not. Because they hold the trademark, they have the control. Well, thing is, eclipse was disliked before, and it is disliked now. I seriously doubt any devs will be considering it.

brown9-2 15y ago

The short version is that the developers voted to move the project's source code hosting to github after several infrastructure problems with java.net, including unplanned downtime (there were some issues of the wrong groups notified for actual planned maintenance, etc). The team at Oracle clamped down on this and said no, you cannot do this, all decisions regarding infrastructure are to be made by us, and claimed that a (silent) majority of the larger "user community" was not in favor of moving to Github, although why these people did not speak up on the developer list or why casual users cared where the source code was hosted was never explained. After seeing how hard Oracle was to work with on simple things like hosting, the core developers voted to fork the project rather than live under a situation where Oracle could make threats because of their claim to own the trademark to the name Hudson. Longer version: http://jenkins-ci.org/content/whos-driving-thing http://jenkins-ci.org/content/whos-driving-thing and http://jenkins-ci.org/content/hudsons-future http://jenkins-ci.org/content/hudsons-future

btilly 15y ago
Every time I see that name change, I mentally prepend Leeroy to the name Jenkins. Given how well known that meme is, I have to wonder whether it was intended at some level. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU if you don't get the reference.
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