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The many gaming on their iPhone are not the audience that would buy a dedicated gaming console and hundred of $ worth of games. They would if 1) the Apple excl

The many gaming on their iPhone are not the audience that would buy a dedicated gaming console and hundred of $ worth of games. They would if 1) the Apple exclusives could compete with the Microsoft and Sony ones and 2) games would not be mobile stuff but current generation AAA. Yeah, not in a million years an Apple gaming console would succeed.

supermatt 6y ago
Exclusives don’t take the market, as is evident by PCs having a larger market share of the gaming market than both PS5 and Xbox combined. Apple have products other than mobiles - this very article is about one of them...
- Mindwipe 6y ago
  > Exclusives don’t take the market, as is evident by PCs having a larger market share of the gaming market than both PS5 and Xbox combined. The PC platform has huge amounts of exclusives, and lots of other advantages that aren't remotely available to Apple's sensibility (end user modding, porn, heavy discounting etc). Apple would fail miserably at a games console, which is why people have been predicting for years the Apple TV would turn into a games console and it doesn't, because it's a terrible idea and they have no competency in this area, and because to succeed they would have to start doing things completely alien to Apple.
  - supermatt 6y ago
    There’s a difference between exclusive and available. “Big PC” isn’t forming deals with studios.
fastball 6y ago
This entire discussion is about how impressive Apple's performance is with their chips. Why wouldn't Apple's console be capable (or arguably even better) at running AAA titles? The vast majority of AAA titles aren't platform exclusives. On top of that, it would seemingly draw less power / generate less heat. Hell, Apple could release a Nintendo Switch style competitor (that also actually competes with the Xbox and PS) that is purpose built for AAA gaming at home and on the go.
- 1_player 6y ago
  The problem with introducing a third console to the world has never been performance. No gamer cares about heat, PS4 was a jet engine yet it sold like hotcakes. The question is why would a gamer, a hardcore one, not the one that wants to play Candy Crush, spend multiple hundred of dollars and find space in his living room when he already has a PS5 and the new Xbox? What could possibly entice him? And which game studio would port their game to a console that uses their own API, own OS, and is basically incompatible to anything else? Yes, the PlayStation is its own thing as well, but it's the bloody PlayStation, not some big unknown. I spend a ton of money on what is basically my hobby, video games, and right now, nothing would make me buy an Apple console. Absolutely nothing. Who cares about performance, show me the game lineup first. EDIT: One quick word about the Switch: the reason it exists among giants like Sony and Microsoft is because it has Nintendo exclusives, and Nintendo is a common household name and has always been associated with "games for the whole family". Well, the form factor too. But again, the emphasis is on exclusives and game lineup.
  - Hamuko 6y ago
    >PS4 was a jet engine yet it sold like hotcakes. I don't really even understand how the noise even is an issue. The only time I actually hear my PS4 being loud is when I stop playing my games and put the console to rest mode, since I won't have any game audio at that point and the fans are still spinning. I've never heard the PS4 over my game audio.
  - fastball 6y ago
    Well presumably the apple machine would be much cheaper, given the price points people are talking about the M1 coming in at.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Unless it was sold at a loss, no. The GPUs in the consoles are much, much more powerful than in the M1, they have completely different memory configurations, and have much faster storage as well as hardware decompression systems. To get to this level, cost would significantly increase, add in expensive cooling and so on and you'll get to a price higher than the consoles. Indeed, the slower Mac Mini is more expensive. Also, even then the margins would be too low for Apple to be interested.

supermatt 6y ago

Exclusives don’t take the market, as is evident by PCs having a larger market share of the gaming market than both PS5 and Xbox combined. Apple have products other than mobiles - this very article is about one of them...

Mindwipe 6y ago
> Exclusives don’t take the market, as is evident by PCs having a larger market share of the gaming market than both PS5 and Xbox combined. The PC platform has huge amounts of exclusives, and lots of other advantages that aren't remotely available to Apple's sensibility (end user modding, porn, heavy discounting etc). Apple would fail miserably at a games console, which is why people have been predicting for years the Apple TV would turn into a games console and it doesn't, because it's a terrible idea and they have no competency in this area, and because to succeed they would have to start doing things completely alien to Apple.
- supermatt 6y ago
  There’s a difference between exclusive and available. “Big PC” isn’t forming deals with studios.

fastball 6y ago

This entire discussion is about how impressive Apple's performance is with their chips. Why wouldn't Apple's console be capable (or arguably even better) at running AAA titles? The vast majority of AAA titles aren't platform exclusives. On top of that, it would seemingly draw less power / generate less heat. Hell, Apple could release a Nintendo Switch style competitor (that also actually competes with the Xbox and PS) that is purpose built for AAA gaming at home and on the go.

1_player 6y ago
The problem with introducing a third console to the world has never been performance. No gamer cares about heat, PS4 was a jet engine yet it sold like hotcakes. The question is why would a gamer, a hardcore one, not the one that wants to play Candy Crush, spend multiple hundred of dollars and find space in his living room when he already has a PS5 and the new Xbox? What could possibly entice him? And which game studio would port their game to a console that uses their own API, own OS, and is basically incompatible to anything else? Yes, the PlayStation is its own thing as well, but it's the bloody PlayStation, not some big unknown. I spend a ton of money on what is basically my hobby, video games, and right now, nothing would make me buy an Apple console. Absolutely nothing. Who cares about performance, show me the game lineup first. EDIT: One quick word about the Switch: the reason it exists among giants like Sony and Microsoft is because it has Nintendo exclusives, and Nintendo is a common household name and has always been associated with "games for the whole family". Well, the form factor too. But again, the emphasis is on exclusives and game lineup.
- Hamuko 6y ago
  >PS4 was a jet engine yet it sold like hotcakes. I don't really even understand how the noise even is an issue. The only time I actually hear my PS4 being loud is when I stop playing my games and put the console to rest mode, since I won't have any game audio at that point and the fans are still spinning. I've never heard the PS4 over my game audio.
- fastball 6y ago
  Well presumably the apple machine would be much cheaper, given the price points people are talking about the M1 coming in at.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Unless it was sold at a loss, no. The GPUs in the consoles are much, much more powerful than in the M1, they have completely different memory configurations, and have much faster storage as well as hardware decompression systems. To get to this level, cost would significantly increase, add in expensive cooling and so on and you'll get to a price higher than the consoles. Indeed, the slower Mac Mini is more expensive. Also, even then the margins would be too low for Apple to be interested.