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Thanks for the feedback! A couple of thoughts: - We actually want someone evaluated as a potential hire, not an intern. We expect our Fellows to be ready for

Thanks for the feedback! A couple of thoughts: - We actually want someone evaluated as a potential hire, not an intern. We expect our Fellows to be ready for real work, and the Fellows experience is the measure of whether they are or not. - We went with "Fellows" instead of "intern" because the program is designed very differently than an internship and we found ourselves often saying to companies "it's like an internship, except for X, Y, and Z." Was helpful to just change the title. But I hear ya on the "Fellow" sounding potentially more senior. I'll pass along your feedback to our marketing team, re: naming.

dragonwriter 6y ago
> We went with "Fellows" instead of "intern" because the program is designed very differently than an internship Superficially, it is a lot more like an educational internship (unpaid work experience incorporated as part of an academic program) than an education fellowship (a scholarship, funded internally by an educational institution or externally by some other entity, that pays for graduate study, sometimes tied to work [0].) I can't see anything in the description of the program that makes it not within the understood scope of the term "internship". [0] e.g., https://www.assembly.ca.gov/fellowship https://www.assembly.ca.gov/fellowship
- effingwewt 6y ago
  Like many shady businesses they thought by changing the definitions of words they could get away with blatantly illegal shenanigans. These are very much unpaid internships that are obviously intended to be a free trial for labor. An internship is learning, not being thrust into a role as a trial. All to bump their bullshit placement numbers. I've often wondered how far a company would have to.go before YC officially distanced themselves, I guess I'll have to keep waiting. Internships period should be abolished. Is there a name for a law where 'anything a company can get away with it will'. Or even 'never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to profit-seeking'
mrgoldenbrown 6y ago
So far I haven't seen X, Y and Z articulated clearly. (what distinguishes "Fellows" from unpaid interns) Everything on the page linked by this post sounds like a typical internship or coop.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> We went with "Fellows" instead of "intern" because the program is designed very differently than an internship Superficially, it is a lot more like an educational internship (unpaid work experience incorporated as part of an academic program) than an education fellowship (a scholarship, funded internally by an educational institution or externally by some other entity, that pays for graduate study, sometimes tied to work [0].) I can't see anything in the description of the program that makes it not within the understood scope of the term "internship". [0] e.g., https://www.assembly.ca.gov/fellowship https://www.assembly.ca.gov/fellowship

effingwewt 6y ago
Like many shady businesses they thought by changing the definitions of words they could get away with blatantly illegal shenanigans. These are very much unpaid internships that are obviously intended to be a free trial for labor. An internship is learning, not being thrust into a role as a trial. All to bump their bullshit placement numbers. I've often wondered how far a company would have to.go before YC officially distanced themselves, I guess I'll have to keep waiting. Internships period should be abolished. Is there a name for a law where 'anything a company can get away with it will'. Or even 'never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to profit-seeking'

mrgoldenbrown 6y ago

So far I haven't seen X, Y and Z articulated clearly. (what distinguishes "Fellows" from unpaid interns) Everything on the page linked by this post sounds like a typical internship or coop.