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As another American minority I welcome changes to our tooling landscape and updating out of date language. No this doesn't do anything, but it significantly re

As another American minority I welcome changes to our tooling landscape and updating out of date language. No this doesn't do anything, but it significantly reduces the amount of time I have to say master in discussions related to code. Something I personally don't feel comfortable saying. No this isn't going to fix systemic racism, but it is setting the precedent that our standards can and should evolve with culture and people.

tachyonbeam 6y ago
I myself am a minority as well. I'm genuinely worried that all of this talk and social shaming related to "systemic racism" is actually going to create more of the monster it purports to try to defeat. I mean, seriously. How do you think right wing people feel when they see left wing people on TV chanting that we should abolish the police? They clutch their guns even harder, that's what happens. By making an immense deal out of race issues, I think we might be making the problem worse. In the 1990s, people generally had an attitude of "race doesn't matter", and now, it's become the opposite, "race is the only thing that matters". It's splitting us into factions and helping nobody.
- aaomidi 6y ago
  I mean, I'm also for abolishment of police. Police in basically everywhere of the world was made by the ruling class to keep people in order. This matter is even worse in the US that a LOT of police departments were literally made after the emancipation proclamation (or somewhat before), to capture runaway slaves. This is the history of policing in the US. I think what it generally comes down to is a LOT of Americans, and a lot of people in the world haven't learned the history of their own country. People probably know more about WW2 than they do about the history of abuse in their own country. I unfortunately was one of these people and until I decided to listen to people and start studying the history of America I understood a lot of the things I stood for were based on essentially lies. I do think saying "lets abolish police" without the context of "why", or "wait what about the murderers?" is harmful. I think people on the left generally assumes too much of people, and assumes that they've also spent many hours reading and understanding and discussing history.
  - tachyonbeam 6y ago
    > I think people on the left generally assumes too much of people I think it's perfectly legitimate to ask "what about the murderers, thiefs, rapists and criminal gangs? The obvious answer is that you need a police force. You can call it the flower-and-peace-corps if you want, but you need both enforcers and detectives to protect the population. If what you mean is "reform the police", then don't call to "abolish the police".
    - aaomidi 6y ago
      No I mean abolish the police. > The obvious answer is that you need a police force Yes, you've been conditioned by society to assume that's the only answer to this. Again this is what I mean by people are uneducated about policing and state power.
      - kjeetgill 6y ago
        I suppose I have been conditioned. What are the other answers? I'm not sure I'm familiar with what the options here are.
  - sheepz 6y ago
    I've come to the conclusion that such inept statements can only come from people who have lived their lives in very safe environments where they have never needed police protection. Such environments do not represent the safety of the country or the world in general. It strikes me as odd that someone as familiar with history as yourself would single out the US and the practice of slavery whereas slavery has existed almost everywhere in the world, including here in Europe. Yet nobody in Europe thinks that the formerly enslaved peasants' much temporally disconnected descendants are substantially worse off because of that or that this would somehow translate into today's policing. In conclusion, abolishing the police is a completely stupid idea that the American people in general do not even support [1] that hurts not the tech elites of Silicon valley, but normal people living in high-crime areas. [1] https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dcBdhEErQccJ:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/22/abolish-police-gallup-poll/+&cd=1&hl=et&ct=clnk&gl=ee https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dcBdhE...
jobigoud 6y ago
But the word master has multiple meanings, only one of them is related to slavery. The fact that all the homonyms are tainted by just one possible meaning is strange and reductive. Master has cognates in romance languages to mean school professor or music lead. Removing a entire cognate root from discourse because of one of its realization makes the language poorer inmho.

tachyonbeam 6y ago

I myself am a minority as well. I'm genuinely worried that all of this talk and social shaming related to "systemic racism" is actually going to create more of the monster it purports to try to defeat. I mean, seriously. How do you think right wing people feel when they see left wing people on TV chanting that we should abolish the police? They clutch their guns even harder, that's what happens. By making an immense deal out of race issues, I think we might be making the problem worse. In the 1990s, people generally had an attitude of "race doesn't matter", and now, it's become the opposite, "race is the only thing that matters". It's splitting us into factions and helping nobody.

aaomidi 6y ago
I mean, I'm also for abolishment of police. Police in basically everywhere of the world was made by the ruling class to keep people in order. This matter is even worse in the US that a LOT of police departments were literally made after the emancipation proclamation (or somewhat before), to capture runaway slaves. This is the history of policing in the US. I think what it generally comes down to is a LOT of Americans, and a lot of people in the world haven't learned the history of their own country. People probably know more about WW2 than they do about the history of abuse in their own country. I unfortunately was one of these people and until I decided to listen to people and start studying the history of America I understood a lot of the things I stood for were based on essentially lies. I do think saying "lets abolish police" without the context of "why", or "wait what about the murderers?" is harmful. I think people on the left generally assumes too much of people, and assumes that they've also spent many hours reading and understanding and discussing history.
- tachyonbeam 6y ago
  > I think people on the left generally assumes too much of people I think it's perfectly legitimate to ask "what about the murderers, thiefs, rapists and criminal gangs? The obvious answer is that you need a police force. You can call it the flower-and-peace-corps if you want, but you need both enforcers and detectives to protect the population. If what you mean is "reform the police", then don't call to "abolish the police".
  - aaomidi 6y ago
    No I mean abolish the police. > The obvious answer is that you need a police force Yes, you've been conditioned by society to assume that's the only answer to this. Again this is what I mean by people are uneducated about policing and state power.
    - kjeetgill 6y ago
      I suppose I have been conditioned. What are the other answers? I'm not sure I'm familiar with what the options here are.
- sheepz 6y ago
  I've come to the conclusion that such inept statements can only come from people who have lived their lives in very safe environments where they have never needed police protection. Such environments do not represent the safety of the country or the world in general. It strikes me as odd that someone as familiar with history as yourself would single out the US and the practice of slavery whereas slavery has existed almost everywhere in the world, including here in Europe. Yet nobody in Europe thinks that the formerly enslaved peasants' much temporally disconnected descendants are substantially worse off because of that or that this would somehow translate into today's policing. In conclusion, abolishing the police is a completely stupid idea that the American people in general do not even support [1] that hurts not the tech elites of Silicon valley, but normal people living in high-crime areas. [1] https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dcBdhEErQccJ:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/22/abolish-police-gallup-poll/+&cd=1&hl=et&ct=clnk&gl=ee https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dcBdhE...

jobigoud 6y ago

But the word master has multiple meanings, only one of them is related to slavery. The fact that all the homonyms are tainted by just one possible meaning is strange and reductive. Master has cognates in romance languages to mean school professor or music lead. Removing a entire cognate root from discourse because of one of its realization makes the language poorer inmho.