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I disagree for several reasons. 1) Those with loans are not elites. Elites have their parents pay for school, they don't need loans. 2) budgets for public col

I disagree for several reasons. 1) Those with loans are not elites. Elites have their parents pay for school, they don't need loans. 2) budgets for public colleges have been annihilated over the last ~20 years. State governments used to pay a much larger share of tuition. Bailing out students loan debt would pay some of this gap indirectly 3) student loans cannot be discharged in bankruptcy, unlike any other type of debt. "Debt slavery" is real. I know people that have permanently fled the country because there is no other escape from crushing debt. 4) Democrats are very limited in what they can do for relief. With Republicans stonewalling the Senate, they're basically limited to direct one-time payments. It's basically this or nothing

hhas01 6y ago
Washington Examiner says that student debt relief would be a Bad Thing? At this point I think it not unfair to take whatever a Republican mouthpiece is claiming and conclude the polar opposite. There was a time when America invested in the education of its children as a way to lift up the country as a whole. But that was a long, long time ago, in political years at least. Certainly, I can see how encouraging an educated populace could be undesireable to a group that’s just spent the last five decades slowly laying the road to a one-party state. I mean, just look at the GOP base. The party of Lincoln is dead; nothing now but Bozo Haram and Kmart Rouge as far as the eye can see. And those who’ve learned their history already know what that sort likes to make of such “intellectual bourgeoisie”: fertilizer.
- RickJWagner 6y ago
  So much wrong here. The party of Lincoln, in the last 4 years has: - Given record funding to historically Black colleges - Seen record low unemployment for Blacks and Hispanics - Pushed through judicial reform Etc. There is good to be seen, if it is critically examined.
  - hhas01 6y ago
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/27/donald-trump/trumps-exaggerated-claim-he-saved-hbcus-2019-fundi/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/27/donald-tru... https://www.epi.org/indicators/state-unemployment-race-ethnicity/ https://www.epi.org/indicators/state-unemployment-race-ethni... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/14/the-problem-with-amy-coney-barretts-nomination-isnt-timing-its-her-views https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/14/the-pr... https://www.scientificamerican.com/report/the-black-lives-matter-movement/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/report/the-black-lives-ma... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy https://www.amazon.com/Alt-America-Radical-Right-Trump/dp/1786634236 https://www.amazon.com/Alt-America-Radical-Right-Trump/dp/17... Really, dude. The Republican party shucked off all moral rights to Lincoln’s name after 1965, when it chose to sell out its principles in exchange for naked power. There’s nothing left now but a cancerous soup of proto fascists, theocrats, oligarch bootboys, and full-time professional liars, lying to the millions of Americans who want to be lied to. Which I’m not, so you can cram your GOP beer goggles where the sun don’t shine, because you’re just not that good at it.
    - RickJWagner 6y ago
      Nice collection of leftist talking points. I won't engage in 'whataboutism' by countering with an equally impressive collection of right-side ones. They exist, believe me. How do you explain Trump getting more Black votes than any Republican since 1960?
      - hhas01 6y ago
        How do you explain Trump getting votes, period? He’s not just a bigot, bully, and career incompetent, he’s a Jim Jones figurehead for a calculated 50-year Republican party campaign to migrate the USA to a Russian-style one-party state. And he’s not even very good at that, shouting the quiet parts out far too loud far too often for the GOP’s own comfort. But one thing Trump is really good at is lying to people, telling people who want to be lied to just what they want to hear. And Dog knows there’s a lot of relatively rich, pampered, spoiled first-worlders desperate to believe they are special and better than others and that everything will be okay. So you do the math. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/02/most-cuban-american-voters-identify-as-republican-in-2020/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/02/most-cuban-... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/racism-isnt-everyones-priority/617108/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/racism-isn... And credit to the GOP where due: their messaging skills are far, fae superior to the Dems, regardless how their actual actions betray their true agendas. Oh, and p.s.: 10%, while it may be more than 6%, is still absolutely pitiful.
JPKab 6y ago
I'm ok with this bailout, but ONLY IF ITS CONTINGENT ON RADICALLY REFORMING UNIVERSITIES. This crisis was teed up by colleges taking advantage of endlessly subsidized debt being signed onto by 17-18 year old kids. They need to fix it. Immediately. I'm not keen on doing this every few years as a taxpayer so that asshole administrators in universities can continue to not hire professors, underpay graduate staff, and generally give two shits about teaching employable skills.
- throwaway189262 6y ago
  There's no way to get a bipartisan bill passed. It's the same reason most of Trump's recent actions amounted to throwing money at things. Unless Dems somehow win Senate, throwing money at it is only thing the can be done for at least 2 years. It's this or nothing because the government is so dysfunctional

hhas01 6y ago

Washington Examiner says that student debt relief would be a Bad Thing? At this point I think it not unfair to take whatever a Republican mouthpiece is claiming and conclude the polar opposite. There was a time when America invested in the education of its children as a way to lift up the country as a whole. But that was a long, long time ago, in political years at least. Certainly, I can see how encouraging an educated populace could be undesireable to a group that’s just spent the last five decades slowly laying the road to a one-party state. I mean, just look at the GOP base. The party of Lincoln is dead; nothing now but Bozo Haram and Kmart Rouge as far as the eye can see. And those who’ve learned their history already know what that sort likes to make of such “intellectual bourgeoisie”: fertilizer.

RickJWagner 6y ago
So much wrong here. The party of Lincoln, in the last 4 years has: - Given record funding to historically Black colleges - Seen record low unemployment for Blacks and Hispanics - Pushed through judicial reform Etc. There is good to be seen, if it is critically examined.
- hhas01 6y ago
  https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/27/donald-trump/trumps-exaggerated-claim-he-saved-hbcus-2019-fundi/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/27/donald-tru... https://www.epi.org/indicators/state-unemployment-race-ethnicity/ https://www.epi.org/indicators/state-unemployment-race-ethni... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/14/the-problem-with-amy-coney-barretts-nomination-isnt-timing-its-her-views https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/14/the-pr... https://www.scientificamerican.com/report/the-black-lives-matter-movement/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/report/the-black-lives-ma... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy https://www.amazon.com/Alt-America-Radical-Right-Trump/dp/1786634236 https://www.amazon.com/Alt-America-Radical-Right-Trump/dp/17... Really, dude. The Republican party shucked off all moral rights to Lincoln’s name after 1965, when it chose to sell out its principles in exchange for naked power. There’s nothing left now but a cancerous soup of proto fascists, theocrats, oligarch bootboys, and full-time professional liars, lying to the millions of Americans who want to be lied to. Which I’m not, so you can cram your GOP beer goggles where the sun don’t shine, because you’re just not that good at it.
  - RickJWagner 6y ago
    Nice collection of leftist talking points. I won't engage in 'whataboutism' by countering with an equally impressive collection of right-side ones. They exist, believe me. How do you explain Trump getting more Black votes than any Republican since 1960?
    - hhas01 6y ago
      How do you explain Trump getting votes, period? He’s not just a bigot, bully, and career incompetent, he’s a Jim Jones figurehead for a calculated 50-year Republican party campaign to migrate the USA to a Russian-style one-party state. And he’s not even very good at that, shouting the quiet parts out far too loud far too often for the GOP’s own comfort. But one thing Trump is really good at is lying to people, telling people who want to be lied to just what they want to hear. And Dog knows there’s a lot of relatively rich, pampered, spoiled first-worlders desperate to believe they are special and better than others and that everything will be okay. So you do the math. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/02/most-cuban-american-voters-identify-as-republican-in-2020/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/02/most-cuban-... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/racism-isnt-everyones-priority/617108/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/racism-isn... And credit to the GOP where due: their messaging skills are far, fae superior to the Dems, regardless how their actual actions betray their true agendas. Oh, and p.s.: 10%, while it may be more than 6%, is still absolutely pitiful.

JPKab 6y ago

I'm ok with this bailout, but ONLY IF ITS CONTINGENT ON RADICALLY REFORMING UNIVERSITIES. This crisis was teed up by colleges taking advantage of endlessly subsidized debt being signed onto by 17-18 year old kids. They need to fix it. Immediately. I'm not keen on doing this every few years as a taxpayer so that asshole administrators in universities can continue to not hire professors, underpay graduate staff, and generally give two shits about teaching employable skills.

throwaway189262 6y ago
There's no way to get a bipartisan bill passed. It's the same reason most of Trump's recent actions amounted to throwing money at things. Unless Dems somehow win Senate, throwing money at it is only thing the can be done for at least 2 years. It's this or nothing because the government is so dysfunctional