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> is there moral obligation to do your job well instead of let's say watching youtube and doing bare minimum not to get fired? No You can choose to do well to
by ukoki 6y ago
> is there moral obligation to do your job well instead of let's say watching youtube and doing bare minimum not to get fired?
No
You can choose to do well to avoid being fired.
You can choose to do well to chase a promotion.
You can choose to do well because the work interests you.
But you are not morally obligated to do anything, and if your employer is not very good at evaluating your work, then — like a man who buys a gym membership and never goes — that's on them.
- cashewchoo 6y agoI think an extremely large percentage of America would disagree with you, though. The puritan work ethic is absolutely the backbone of society for a lot of americans.
- HarryHirsch 6y agoOnly for the employee, though, never for the employer. When the employee doesn't work he's a slacking <epithet>, when the employer overworks the employees or pays poorly it's "go find another job". It's religion for the masses, capitalism for the rich.
- ajuc 6y agoThat's my whole point, and it works the same in Catholic countries, too (at least in Poland).
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- davemp 6y agoWho's morals are in question here? Both you and GP seem to be talking from an amoral perspective. To many people there is certainly a moral obligation to put in an honest effort and pay fair wages.
- rich_sasha 6y agoI certainly don't think of my approach as amoral. Rather, I think it's not immoral to negotiate down a salary based on fair yardstick (COL). Annoying, perhaps, but not immoral. It's immoral to exploit your employees, lie to them, not keep to a contract, deny them the growth opportunities they were lead to believe they have etc. But to negotiate a lower pay, that's not immoral. As an employee, take it or leave it. To be clear, I'd love to get a SF salary and live in an Alpine valley in Italy or France. Maybe the world will come to that arrangement. But if not, I wouldn't call it immoral.
- falcolas 6y agoIt's not based on COL, though, it's based on what your company perceives as your peers in the new area. As pointed out in other threads, working in London will net you about 1/3 of the salary as SF, even though the COL is nearly the same.
- tor_anon_1 6y ago>To many people there is certainly a moral obligation to put in an honest effort how can you have a moral obligation to an entity that is itself amoral (a corporation)? >and pay fair wages i'm not gonna hedge this at all: there are no corporations that pay fair wages out of a moral obligation. if there were no minimum wage they would be the lowest that the market would bare (and the market is also amoral).
- tor_anon_1 6y agotest
- matz1 6y agoMoral is subjective. There also many people that their is moral obligation to not put honest effort or pay fair wages.